Dzogchen: The Self-Perfected State

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Re: Dzogchen: The Self-Perfected State

Postby Stewart » Mon May 21, 2012 8:33 pm

Blue Garuda wrote:'Crystal' ordered. Seems unavailable on Amazon UK but easy to order secondhand.

Until then I'll have to make do with Longchenpa's 'Natural Perfection' (Keith Dowman) which I picked up after a Dzogchen Rinpoche empowerment. It was OK for the train journey home, but a bit too simple to keep my attention for more than an hour or so...




Joking. ;)


You won't regret it....I first read it in '98, completely opened my eyes. Read it several times since, still have the old battered copy, yellowing pages, and a 'mirror image' misprint cover. Love it.

At the moment I am reading 'Ground, Path and Fruition' by Tsoknyi Rinpoche. I agree with Paul, the 'As it is' books by TUR are incredible.
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Re: Dzogchen: The Self-Perfected State

Postby Lhug-Pa » Mon May 21, 2012 8:47 pm

Well, for reference, some terminologies 'describing' the true nature of Bodhicitta in Dzogchen are Thig-le Nyag-gcig (see Unbounded Wholeness by Geshe Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche) and Changchub-Sem (see The Supreme Source by Chögyal Namkhai Norbu Rinpoche) 'understood' as being inseparable.
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Re: Dzogchen: The Self-Perfected State

Postby Paul » Mon May 21, 2012 10:05 pm

samdrup wrote:
Blue Garuda wrote:'Crystal' ordered. Seems unavailable on Amazon UK but easy to order secondhand.

Until then I'll have to make do with Longchenpa's 'Natural Perfection' (Keith Dowman) which I picked up after a Dzogchen Rinpoche empowerment. It was OK for the train journey home, but a bit too simple to keep my attention for more than an hour or so...




Joking. ;)


You won't regret it....I first read it in '98, completely opened my eyes. Read it several times since, still have the old battered copy, yellowing pages, and a 'mirror image' misprint cover. Love it.

At the moment I am reading 'Ground, Path and Fruition' by Tsoknyi Rinpoche. I agree with Paul, the 'As it is' books by TUR are incredible.


If you like that Tsoknyi Rinpoche book (and I love it) please have a look at "A Meditator's Guide to the Great Perfection? by Mingyur Rinpoche - you can buy it here: http://www.tibet.dk/pktc/transpaper.htm It is fantastic.
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All that you take pleasure in will strengthen the awakened state.
With such a confidence, empowered by the regal state of natural mind,
The training now is simply this: lets your six senses be at ease and free." - Princess Parani
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Re: Dzogchen: The Self-Perfected State

Postby Stewart » Mon May 21, 2012 11:19 pm

Hey Paul,

Yeah its great, and I have the Mingyur Rinpoche book on order, plus I've received the oral teachings direct from MRin....going to attend a Dzogchen retreat with Tsoknyi Rinpoche next year....they are an all round amazing family!

Do you go to Samye Ling? So do I....I lived there for years, worked in the office, we've probably met :)

Stewart.
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Re: Dzogchen: The Self-Perfected State

Postby Lhug-Pa » Tue May 22, 2012 6:08 am

Blue Garuda wrote:While on books, I'ne not read a reference to Lama Surya Das and his book and CD 'Natural Radiance' .

It is a text many will encounter due to his name being familiar but is there a reason he is not mentioned - maybe too commercial or simplistic?


I'm not particularly drawn to his writings—or even the writings of Dzongsar Khyentse Rinpoche or Dzogchen Ponlop Rinpoche—for some reason. Although maybe this is only based on my current limitations....

Regarding Western authors of books on Dzogchen, I'm more interested in the writings of John Myrdhin Reynolds, Keith Dowman, Jean-Luc Achard, and Richard Barron's translations of Longchenpa Rabjampa's Seven Treasuries and Nyoshul Khenpo's Marvellous Garland of Rare Gems. Alexander Berzin's website has some essays on Dzogchen that are interesting.

Also, Tulku Thondup's classic English translation of The Practice of Dzogchen by Longchen Rabjam (or any of Tulku Thondup's other works).

And anything on Dzogchen by Geshe Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche, Dudjom Rinpoche, Tulku Urgyen Rinpoche, Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche, H.H. the Dalai Lama, and Lopon Tenzin Namdak Rinpoche.

Chögyal Namkhai Norbu Rinpoche's Cycle of Day and Night and The Mirror as well, since they haven't been mentioned yet.

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Re: Dzogchen: The Self-Perfected State

Postby Huifeng » Tue May 22, 2012 8:13 am

Jinzang wrote:
ChNN has asserted that it may have influenced Chan.


Chan was well established before Dzogchen got off the ground.


Actually, in the OP I was going to state how much it sounded like Chan teachings.
Thought against it on the grounds of the storm that may kick up...

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Re: Dzogchen: The Self-Perfected State

Postby Simon E. » Tue May 22, 2012 8:30 am

I honestly think that due to Malcolm's extraordinary candor that we are well past such alarms and discursions. I certainly hope so anyway.
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Re: Dzogchen: The Self-Perfected State

Postby Sönam » Tue May 22, 2012 8:54 am

Human activities always resound like each other ...

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By understanding everything you perceive from the perspective of the view, you are freed from the constraints of philosophical beliefs.
By understanding that any and all mental activity is meditation, you are freed from arbitrary divisions between formal sessions and postmeditation activity.
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Re: Dzogchen: The Self-Perfected State

Postby Paul » Tue May 22, 2012 5:43 pm

samdrup wrote:Hey Paul,

Yeah its great, and I have the Mingyur Rinpoche book on order, plus I've received the oral teachings direct from MRin....going to attend a Dzogchen retreat with Tsoknyi Rinpoche next year....they are an all round amazing family!

Do you go to Samye Ling? So do I....I lived there for years, worked in the office, we've probably met :)

Stewart.


Yes, I have been to Samye Ling regularly for the few months - every four weeks to seek the Tibetan Doctor as well as a to do courses. I'm the mid 30s 6'4" Yorkshire guy with a Berghaus duvet jacket. I often would be with James or Richard (who's just left).

I can promise you that you will have a very good time with Tsoknyi Rinpoche. Is it going to be in Bruton or Holy Island?

You're right about it being an amazing family. i can't even begin to imagine what it must be like to have Tulku Urgyen as a dad.
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All that you take pleasure in will strengthen the awakened state.
With such a confidence, empowered by the regal state of natural mind,
The training now is simply this: lets your six senses be at ease and free." - Princess Parani
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Re: Dzogchen: The Self-Perfected State

Postby Stewart » Tue May 22, 2012 9:59 pm

Hey Paul ,

I'll keep an eye out for you, I was talking to Dr Dhonden around Akong Rinpoches birthday, you may have been around.

It's on Holy Isle, I've been there before but never met Tsoknyi Rinpoche before, have corresponded with him via email, he gave me sound advice. Mingyur Rinpoche is very close to him and advised that his students should rely on TR, so going to attend this retreat.

perhaps see you at Samye Ling!

Stewart.

ps. I noticed your comment on an earlier thread about going out in the grounds at night, I assume you mean Samye Ling? Don't worry Ive wondered around everywhere at every hour :) its 'safe' :)
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Re: Dzogchen: The Self-Perfected State

Postby Paul » Wed May 23, 2012 7:56 am

samdrup wrote:ps. I noticed your comment on an earlier thread about going out in the grounds at night, I assume you mean Samye Ling? Don't worry Ive wondered around everywhere at every hour :) its 'safe' :)


No, I'm not on about Samye Ling - that place definitely seems safe. I was on about a place near me that really seems very weird indeed. There's just this constant feeling of things lurking in the tree line. It's odd...
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All that you take pleasure in will strengthen the awakened state.
With such a confidence, empowered by the regal state of natural mind,
The training now is simply this: lets your six senses be at ease and free." - Princess Parani
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