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Cosmos may show echoes of events before Big Bang

Postby Paññāsikhara » Sat Nov 27, 2010 11:25 am



Sorry, was that before the Big Bang?

"In the scheme that I'm proposing, you have an exponential expansion but it's not in our aeon - I use the term to describe [the period] from our Big Bang until the remote future.

"I claim that this aeon is one of a succession of such things, where the remote future of the previous aeons somehow becomes the Big Bang of our aeon."

This "conformal cyclic cosmology" (CCC) that Professor Penrose advocates allows that the laws of nature may evolve with time, but precludes the need to institute a theoretical beginning to the Universe.

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"In the standard Big Bang model, there's nothing cyclic; it has a beginning and it has no end.

"The philosophical question that's sensible to ask is 'what came before the Big Bang?'; and what they're striving for here is to do away with that 'there's nothing before' answer by making it cyclical."


(Emphasis added)

Perhaps our local physicists can provide some further insights on this theory within the field.
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Re: Cosmos may show echoes of events before Big Bang

Postby Ben » Sat Nov 27, 2010 11:30 am

Thank you Bhante.
I remember the Dalai Lama saying the same thing about three years ago in Melbourne.
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Re: Cosmos may show echoes of events before Big Bang

Postby christopher::: » Sat Nov 27, 2010 11:33 am

Hello Venerable,

I read an interesting article on a theory of "Multiple Universes" in Scientific American, during the 1990s. I think this illustration was from that issue, but cannot find the article itself presently. I do remember being intriqued by this image, and their theory that Universes give birth to Universes, in a very organic way....

Image

It does provide a nice explanation for the riddle of why our Universe has so many natural laws and regularities. Puts a new spin to the ideas of Rebirth and Multiple Lives as well...

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Postby cooran » Sat Nov 27, 2010 8:52 pm

Hello all,

These may be of interest:

Cosmology and meditation: from the Agganna-Sutta to the Mahayana Buddhism - Rupert Gethin
http://www.buddhanet.net/budsas/ebud/ebdha190.htm

in examining the discourses of the Buddha, we notice that he has made interesting statements about the origins of the universe and life, and the place of human existence in the big scheme of things. It would seem that such statements provide a context for the liberation teachings of the Buddha, and though not essential to the central task of freedom, are not antithetical to it as long as we hold them lightly. What did the Buddha say about the universe? Well, he spoke of the universe in terms of myriad cakkavalas or disk-shaped "galaxies" each made up of thousands and tens of thousands of planets, moons, and suns, as well as of vast regions of dark space interspersed between them where no light exists. He spoke of the beginningless and endless nature of the universe, where no beginning can be seen to the endless wandering of beings through the cycle of samsaric suffering. He spoke of the expansion and contraction of the universe over long periods of time called kappas, and that the march of time itself is infinite. He spoke of the multiple planes or dimensions of experience possible for beings, ranging from the most intense states of suffering to the most refined bliss of meditative absorption. These planes are worlds of lived experience where external objective world reflects the internal subjective mind, and vice-versa. He spoke of the Four Noble Truths that are timeless and universal truths about our lived experience under the sway of delusions and the possibility of unconditional freedom from such constricted living. In particular, he spoke about that unconditional freedom of nibbana that is beyond opposites, duality, suffering and its causes, and where consciousness is signless (anidassanam), boundless (anantam), and all radiant (sabbato-pabbham.)
http://accessingbuddhism.blogspot.com/2 ... chive.html

Re: Science-Expansion/Contraction of the Universe?
viewtopic.php?f=24&t=5838&start=0#p91078

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Re: Cosmos may show echoes of events before Big Bang

Postby cooran » Wed Dec 01, 2010 4:53 am

---The trouble is that you think you have time---
---Worry is the Interest, paid in advance, on a debt you may never owe---
---It's not what happens to you in life that is important ~ it's what you do with it ---

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Re: Cosmos may show echoes of events before Big Bang

Postby m0rl0ck » Wed Dec 01, 2010 5:10 am

I dont understand how this could work. To have time you need space and distance. If everything is in one place during the big crunch, there is no time because everything in the universe is gathered at one point. there is no space and distance because there is only one "object". What does "before" mean in this frame of reference? How could time be measured through such an event, because in effect, without space and distance, time stops. Doesnt it?
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