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the great rebirth debate

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"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Re: the great rebirth debate

Postby bodom » Sun Nov 28, 2010 10:51 pm

To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


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Re: the great rebirth debate

Postby Aloka » Mon Nov 29, 2010 6:34 am

Hi Bodom,

My view is that there seems very little point in having a rebirth debate if obsessing about it is the only position accepted.

I have spoken privately to Ajahn Sumedho about these matters. Our conversations will remain private, but the main point is that he considers focus on present moment awareness to be more important than speculation about rebirth and other realms - and this is what I have been trying to convey to people who can't get past that.

Just as an extra point of interest, when I was practising Vajrayana in the past, an offline Tibetan Buddhist teacher also pointed to the present with "Don't worry about other lives - this is the one that counts! "

Be well and at ease.

Kind regards,

Aloka

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Postby Sasana » Mon Nov 29, 2010 11:56 am

"If the problem can be solved there's no use worrying about it, if it cant worrying will do no good." - 7 years in Tibet

"Believe nothing, no matter where you read it or who has said it, not even if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense." - The Buddha

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Re: the great rebirth debate

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"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Re: the great rebirth debate

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"If the problem can be solved there's no use worrying about it, if it cant worrying will do no good." - 7 years in Tibet

"Believe nothing, no matter where you read it or who has said it, not even if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense." - The Buddha

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Re: the great rebirth debate

Postby kirk5a » Mon Nov 29, 2010 12:37 pm

"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Re: the great rebirth debate

Postby Sanghamitta » Mon Nov 29, 2010 7:46 pm

Ajahn Sumedho certainly does NOT indicate that he thinks that the concept of Rebirth is unimportant. On a number of occasions he has made it clear that he accepts it as literal fact. What he thinks is important is that a belief or lack thereof in Rebirth should not pose a barrier to practice.
The going for refuge is the door of entrance to the teachings of the Buddha.

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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

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