Dzogchen and Compassion

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Re: Dzogchen and Buddhism

Postby muni » Sun May 20, 2012 8:01 am

"One having" compassion is not in nature, isn't?

For me it is not helpful to focus all the wrong ones, as what is here so clear said, "recognizing nature is sufficient to slay all those at once", since then the dream is seen.


Those who like to focus on historical facts of Dzogchen; I saw a tick yellow book Golden Letters, enriched by words of Namkay Norbu Rinpoche. lots is there explained in many details about history and authenticity. But I didn't read it.

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here http://www.amazon.com/Golden-Letters-Jo ... 1559390506

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Re: Dzogchen and Buddhism

Postby heart » Sun May 20, 2012 8:14 am

"We are all here to help each other go through this thing, whatever it is."
~Kurt Vonnegut

"The principal practice is Guruyoga. But we need to understand that any secondary practice combined with Guruyoga becomes a principal practice." ChNNR (Teachings on Thun and Ganapuja)

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Re: Dzogchen and Buddhism

Postby Sönam » Sun May 20, 2012 8:42 am

I agree on ...

A sincere compassion, uncompromising to oneself, is certainly the best way to be fully open to realize direct introduction when received ... It's for shure a winning ticket.
But I'm not shure this type of compassion could be "trained" ...

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Re: Dzogchen and Buddhism

Postby Grigoris » Sun May 20, 2012 9:05 am

"My religion is not deceiving myself."
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Re: Dzogchen and Buddhism

Postby Blue Garuda » Sun May 20, 2012 9:09 am

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Re: Dzogchen and Buddhism

Postby Sönam » Sun May 20, 2012 9:34 am

By understanding everything you perceive from the perspective of the view, you are freed from the constraints of philosophical beliefs.
By understanding that any and all mental activity is meditation, you are freed from arbitrary divisions between formal sessions and postmeditation activity.
- Longchen Rabjam -

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Re: Dzogchen and Buddhism

Postby Grigoris » Sun May 20, 2012 9:58 am

"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE

"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
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Re: Dzogchen and Buddhism

Postby Paul » Sun May 20, 2012 10:04 am

Look at the unfathomable spinelessness of man: all the means he's been given to stay alert he uses, in the end, to ornament his sleep. – Rene Daumal
the modern mind has become so limited and single-visioned that it has lost touch with normal perception - John Michell

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Re: Dzogchen and Buddhism

Postby Grigoris » Sun May 20, 2012 10:11 am

So you are saying that true compassion only arises via pointing out? Is that why everybody here has devoted their lives to voluntarily assisting lepers in Bangladesh?
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"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
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Re: Dzogchen and Buddhism

Postby catmoon » Sun May 20, 2012 10:15 am

I wonder if they would be doing it if nobody had pointed out there were lepers in Bangladesh.
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Re: Dzogchen and Buddhism

Postby Grigoris » Sun May 20, 2012 10:21 am

Well, I personally am considering reincarnating as a Bangladeshi leper in my next life, coz with so much compassion going round they are going to run out of objects to pile it onto! I mean we don't want all that naturally arising non-effort it to go to waste now do we! :tongue:
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"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
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Re: Dzogchen and Buddhism

Postby Sönam » Sun May 20, 2012 10:29 am

By understanding everything you perceive from the perspective of the view, you are freed from the constraints of philosophical beliefs.
By understanding that any and all mental activity is meditation, you are freed from arbitrary divisions between formal sessions and postmeditation activity.
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Re: Dzogchen and Buddhism

Postby Anders » Sun May 20, 2012 10:43 am

"Even if my body should be burnt to death in the fires of hell
I would endure it for myriad lifetimes
As your companion in practice"

--- Gandavyuha Sutra

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Re: Dzogchen and Buddhism

Postby Grigoris » Sun May 20, 2012 11:05 am

"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE

"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
The Supreme Source - The Kunjed Gyalpo
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Re: Dzogchen and Buddhism

Postby LastLegend » Sun May 20, 2012 11:07 am

What are we talking about again? Why am I so confused today?
NAMO AMITABHA
NAM MO A DI DA PHAT (VIETNAMESE)
NAMO AMITUOFO (CHINESE)

Bodhidharma [my translation]
―I come to the East to transmit this clear knowing mind without constructing any dharma―

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Re: Dzogchen and Buddhism

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Re: Dzogchen and Buddhism

Postby Malcolm » Sun May 20, 2012 12:38 pm





འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


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Re: Dzogchen and Buddhism

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Re: Dzogchen and Buddhism

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འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa

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Re: Dzogchen and Buddhism

Postby Andrew108 » Sun May 20, 2012 2:33 pm

This discussion has had some benefits. So even though it seems messy there are always benefits to it. Last night I had a dream about ChNN. Not to go into the details but I understood just how patient, generous, brave and compassionate he is. These are qualities I aspire to. So however messy the path and however convoluted the discussions on this board get we still share the same goals and ambitions.
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"What is the All? Simply the eye & forms, ear & sounds, nose & aromas, tongue & flavors, body & tactile sensations, intellect & ideas. This, monks, is called the All. Anyone who would say, 'Repudiating this All, I will describe another,' if questioned on what exactly might be the grounds for his statement, would be unable to explain, and furthermore, would be put to grief. Why? Because it lies beyond range." Sabba Sutta.


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