Any regular Mahamudra webcasts?

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Postby Stewart » Tue May 15, 2012 2:19 pm

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Postby Lhug-Pa » Tue May 15, 2012 2:37 pm

http://www.rinpoche.com/teachings/ktginterview-1.pdf

Was going to say that maybe Sutra Mahamudra is not dependent on Direct Introduction, but it looks like it is:

http://www.dharmawheel.net/viewtopic.ph ... 100#p76753

https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&saf ... 66&bih=673

So the quotes found in the following post I think have to be understood in context:

viewtopic.php?f=100&t=8290#p99699

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Re: Any regular Mahamudra webcasts?

Postby Grigoris » Tue May 15, 2012 5:19 pm

"My religion is not deceiving myself."
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Re: Any regular Mahamudra webcasts?

Postby Lhug-Pa » Tue May 15, 2012 10:01 pm

Thanks Gregkavarnos.

Tilopa is apparently saying (by the way, I take it that is a quote specifically on the essence of Sutra Mahamudra?) the same thing that Jamgon Kongtrul Rinpoche is here:



So perhaps it is that when we actually apply directly and uncontrivedly the advice given by these Masters, the following type of analysis is only nit-picking?



Although noting these apparent differences may still be worthwhile.

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Postby Grigoris » Wed May 16, 2012 9:20 am

"My religion is not deceiving myself."
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"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
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Re: Any regular Mahamudra webcasts?

Postby Lhug-Pa » Wed May 16, 2012 12:39 pm

Oh so you were quoting Tilopa on the very essence of Mahamudra regardless of Sutra, Tantra, or Essence Mahamudra (my first clue probably should have been Tilopa's Ganges Mahamudra in the title), whether one gets there gradually or not so gradually. I thought since you mentioned preliminaries in response to my mentioning of Direct Introduction in relation to Sutra Mahamudra, that you were quoting Tilopa regarding Sutra Mahamudra (albeit the culmination of it) specifically; but I wondered why it didn't seem to correspond lol. I only have a very general idea of the differences between Sutra Mahamudra, Tantra Mahamudra, and Essence Mahamudra. Don't mind me, just showing my own ignorance as usual.

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Re: Any regular Mahamudra webcasts?

Postby Grigoris » Wed May 16, 2012 1:29 pm

I'm no expert either!
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Re: Any regular Mahamudra webcasts?

Postby Astus » Wed May 16, 2012 2:52 pm

Sutra Mahamudra is just what Mahamudra as a gradual path is understood. Tantra Mahamudra is what is found in completion stage. Essence Mahamudra is the nature of mind and it being pointed out as the method. But this is just one way to explain the different forms of Mahamudra.
Myriad dharmas are only mind.
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?

If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.

Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.

With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.



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Re: Any regular Mahamudra webcasts?

Postby Andrew108 » Wed May 16, 2012 8:41 pm

The point for all of these three is that the student develop certainty.
So as KTGR says, the realization here is certainty about the nature of mind - that it is unborn and so on. One method is not higher than another - it's just about how people get that certainty and that's the realization. All of these mahamudra methods or traditions help bring about certainty within this life time if followed correctly.
The Blessed One said:

"What is the All? Simply the eye & forms, ear & sounds, nose & aromas, tongue & flavors, body & tactile sensations, intellect & ideas. This, monks, is called the All. Anyone who would say, 'Repudiating this All, I will describe another,' if questioned on what exactly might be the grounds for his statement, would be unable to explain, and furthermore, would be put to grief. Why? Because it lies beyond range." Sabba Sutta.

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Postby Grigoris » Wed May 16, 2012 8:49 pm

Nobody said anything about higher and lower, each method appeals to the different karmic preponderances of individuals.
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Re: Any regular Mahamudra webcasts?

Postby Andrew108 » Wed May 16, 2012 8:51 pm

:namaste: Yep
The Blessed One said:

"What is the All? Simply the eye & forms, ear & sounds, nose & aromas, tongue & flavors, body & tactile sensations, intellect & ideas. This, monks, is called the All. Anyone who would say, 'Repudiating this All, I will describe another,' if questioned on what exactly might be the grounds for his statement, would be unable to explain, and furthermore, would be put to grief. Why? Because it lies beyond range." Sabba Sutta.

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Re: Any regular Mahamudra webcasts?

Postby Grigoris » Sat May 19, 2012 7:52 am

cf here viewtopic.php?f=100&t=6459&start=0#p76375 for lots of excellent information.
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Postby mindyourmind » Sat May 19, 2012 7:57 am

Dualism is the real root of our suffering and all of our conflicts.

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Re: Any regular Mahamudra webcasts?

Postby Grigoris » Sat May 19, 2012 9:35 am

No, silly, on Mahamudra!
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Re: Any regular Mahamudra webcasts?

Postby mindyourmind » Sat May 19, 2012 11:25 am

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Re: Any regular Mahamudra webcasts?

Postby Grigoris » Sat May 19, 2012 1:56 pm

Well it was, now it's about Mahamudra (at least it seems so...).
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Re: Any regular Mahamudra webcasts?

Postby mindyourmind » Sat May 19, 2012 3:39 pm

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Re: Any regular Mahamudra webcasts?

Postby DharmaKitty » Sun May 20, 2012 10:57 am

The essence of a real practice is to bring our intellectual understanding to the level of our heart - so as to feel it - to live it!

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Re: Any regular Mahamudra webcasts?

Postby mindyourmind » Fri May 25, 2012 10:26 am

Also maybe have a look at Lama Karma's ngondro webcast over the weekend.

http://www.kagyu.org/ktd/Ngondro-Retreat/index.php
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