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Did the Buddha teach that we have choice?

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"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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WHOOPS!

"the Tathagata understands as it actually is the results of actions undertaken, past, future and present, with possibilities and with causes." - MN12

What's this? Possibilities? Hasn't the Buddha been characterized by some here as speaking only of causes and effects, and not possibilities? Of certainties, not possibilities? What is the meaning of understanding the results of actions taken... with possibilities?
"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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And here we are following the Buddha's path according to Alex:



or there is this version


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Re: Did the Buddha teach that we have choice?

Postby cooran » Fri Nov 26, 2010 8:23 am

Hello all,

Ven. Dhammanando has something to say in this thread:
The Buddha’s Omniscience
viewtopic.php?f=16&t=132&start=0

Other discussions on DhammaWheel:

Omniscience of the the Buddha
viewtopic.php?f=19&t=3005&p=43410
Omniscience
viewtopic.php?f=13&t=1591&p=20881

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Re: Did the Buddha teach that we have choice?

Postby Sanghamitta » Fri Nov 26, 2010 8:26 am

The going for refuge is the door of entrance to the teachings of the Buddha.

Bhikku Bodhi.

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Postby mikenz66 » Fri Nov 26, 2010 10:07 am

Anyone interested in the nuances of the arguments for and against the compatibility of determinism and free will can study these various articles in the Stanford Encycolpedia of Philosophy:
http://plato.stanford.edu/search/search ... eterminism

A quick scan through those should be enough to convince anyone that most of the arguments presented on this thread are rather superficial, and have been discussed in the philosophy literature for centuries.

Like Sangamitta, I worry that Alex's obsessive attempts to interpret the Buddha's teachings through the lens of simplistic logic and philosophy is a seriously negative distortion of the Dhamma.

Perhaps the title of this thread is flawed. The key part of the Dhamma related to what we are discussing here has to do with kamma: actions have consequences; there is moral responsibility. That is a recurring theme in the Suttas. Since there is certainly not agreement in the philosophy literature that determinism is incompatible with free will and moral responsibility (with many, perhaps the majority, arguing the opposite) I see no reason for anyone to conclude that there is any reason to conclude that free will (in some not-self sense) or moral responsibility are incompatible with the Dhamma.

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