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Re: Buddha Dhamma & Dr.Babasaheb Ambedker in India

Postby Individual » Tue Nov 16, 2010 9:15 pm

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Re: Buddha Dhamma & Dr.Babasaheb Ambedker in India

Postby BlackBird » Tue Nov 16, 2010 11:02 pm

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Re: Buddha Dhamma & Dr.Babasaheb Ambedker in India

Postby Sanghamitta » Tue Nov 16, 2010 11:28 pm

Frankly no. I dont know where you are going with this.
I read a few posters saying that they have no personal knowledge of Rebirth and that they therefore are agnostic on the subject.
I have read posts to the effect that the whole concept of Aryans has become a symptom of hierarchical sclerosis within Buddhism.
I have read NO poster who has gone for refuge who teaches that the Buddha did not teach kamma as delineated in the Pali Canon and is s/he is concerned that it will be misunderstood...but not withstanding they are going for Refuge anyway.
When we go for Refuge we dont leave our brains at the door, we have to understand what it is that we are committing to. By interpreting kamma in a particular and unique way, Ambedkar demonstrated that he didn't know what he was committing to. He was looking for an identity for the Dalits and Buddhism seemed to fit the bill...however his superficial understanding of Buddhism seemed to him to condone the Hindu view...so he junked kamma as understood by 2500 years of Buddhism, in favour of a political position that suited his purpose better. That he did this is hardly a matter of dispute.
Had he lived who knows how his views might have matured. But he didn't..
Some years after Ambedkar's death, Sangharakshita led a mission to the Dalits, and much of its thrust was to correct certain distortions that Ambedkar has introduced into his version of Dhamma. The result was a huge wave of Dalit conversions to a version of Dhamma fully convergent with the Canon.
There is though a large rump of "Bhim" hardcore followers who still insist that the Buddha was in fact a political reformer who did not teach kamma as found in the Pali Canon...
And they refuse to have anything to do with mainstream Buddhism, they are in fact a cultic group within Buddhism.
We have no way of knowing had he lived which group Ambedkar would have been associated with. We do know for a fact that during his life he was associated with the latter view.
The going for refuge is the door of entrance to the teachings of the Buddha.

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Re: Buddha Dhamma & Dr.Babasaheb Ambedker in India

Postby Prasadachitta » Wed Nov 17, 2010 1:49 am

"Beautifully taught is the Lord's Dhamma, immediately apparent, timeless, of the nature of a personal invitation, progressive, to be attained by the wise, each for himself." Anguttara Nikaya V.332

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Re: Buddha Dhamma & Dr.Babasaheb Ambedker in India

Postby Prasadachitta » Wed Nov 17, 2010 1:53 am

I have now read quite a bit more Ambedker and I find it to be an acceptable interpretation of what the Dhamma is. While it may not be a word perfect interpretation it certainly maintains the essence of the Buddhas message in my opinion. :coffee:
"Beautifully taught is the Lord's Dhamma, immediately apparent, timeless, of the nature of a personal invitation, progressive, to be attained by the wise, each for himself." Anguttara Nikaya V.332

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Re: Buddha Dhamma & Dr.Babasaheb Ambedker in India

Postby alan » Wed Nov 17, 2010 2:14 am

Rule #36. Hmm.

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Re: Buddha Dhamma & Dr.Babasaheb Ambedker in India

Postby Hanzze » Wed Nov 17, 2010 3:11 am

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Just that! *smile*


BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: Buddha Dhamma & Dr.Babasaheb Ambedker in India

Postby Prasadachitta » Wed Nov 17, 2010 7:05 am

"Beautifully taught is the Lord's Dhamma, immediately apparent, timeless, of the nature of a personal invitation, progressive, to be attained by the wise, each for himself." Anguttara Nikaya V.332

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Re: Buddha Dhamma & Dr.Babasaheb Ambedker in India

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Re: Buddha Dhamma & Dr.Babasaheb Ambedker in India

Postby Hanzze » Wed Nov 17, 2010 7:29 am

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Just that! *smile*


BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: Buddha Dhamma & Dr.Babasaheb Ambedker in India

Postby Sanghamitta » Wed Nov 17, 2010 8:53 am

Ambedkar was a towering political figure who achieved an enormous amount for a group of people who are among the most deprived on earth.
He was as considerable a force for social change as is Nelson Mandela.
Although his own Buddhism in common with many of us was tentative and undeveloped, he was a great catalyst in bringing Buddhadhamma to millions.
We should support the cause of his successors fully.
The going for refuge is the door of entrance to the teachings of the Buddha.

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Re: Buddha Dhamma & Dr.Babasaheb Ambedker in India

Postby alan » Thu Nov 18, 2010 2:10 am

Appreciate your passion, Sanghamitta.

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Re: Buddha Dhamma & Dr.Babasaheb Ambedker in India

Postby retrofuturist » Thu Nov 18, 2010 5:36 am

Greetings Sanghamitta,

I concur.

Metta,
Retro. :)
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"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

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Re: Buddha Dhamma & Dr.Babasaheb Ambedker in India

Postby Prasadachitta » Thu Nov 18, 2010 5:56 am

"Beautifully taught is the Lord's Dhamma, immediately apparent, timeless, of the nature of a personal invitation, progressive, to be attained by the wise, each for himself." Anguttara Nikaya V.332

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Re: Buddha Dhamma & Dr.Babasaheb Ambedker in India

Postby upasakabill » Tue Nov 23, 2010 7:43 am

"There is no right or wrong decision, only a decision with consequences"
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Re: Buddha Dhamma & Dr.Babasaheb Ambedker in India

Postby rahulborde » Thu Nov 25, 2010 6:33 pm

Most of the people who did the initial conversion were outcast people.
Outcast people are the ancient warriors who fought up to the end against foreign aryans to save their
own territory and refused to become the part of foreign vedik tradition of Brahmans/ Yajanas/ Yavanas;and thus became Outcast,
while other objects which accepted vedik hegemony are considered as The Shudra (meaning not valuable in Sanskrit)
by brahmins, the shudras are the other backward class(OBC).

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Re: Buddha Dhamma & Dr.Babasaheb Ambedker in India

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