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dakini_boi wrote:The main thing I was asking is - are the five lights - the actual essence of the elements - actually the same as pure colors of visible light? Or are they something more "subtle" than visible light?
dakini_boi wrote:It is said that the nature of the five elements are the five colors of light. Is this actual visible light, or something else?
The colors which the five lights express arise because of the adulteration of the five wisdoms with karmic winds or vāyus, without which the five wisdoms have no manifest expression. At the gross level, these five lights are expressed though delusion as the five elements.
dakini_boi wrote:So then, the appearance of the five lights are still a manifestation of ignorance?
Lhug-Pa wrote:And in Skydancer: The Secret Life and Songs of the Lady Yeshe Tsogyel, Keith Dowman wrote something to the effect that a Dzogchenpa's (presumably who has completed at least the First Vision) everyday Vision would look like a hallucinogenic trip...
Lhug-Pa wrote:...you might want to read part of this Google book preview of Sky Dancer: The Secret Life and Songs of the Lady Yeshe Tsogyel By Stag-śam Nus-ldan-rdo-rje, Keith Dowman, Eva Van Dam—that is, starting on page 241 (the following link should go straight to that page)—on the Dzogchen teachings of Guru Rinpoche Padmasambhava and the Four Visions (no actual Thogal instructions, just an explanation):
http://books.google.com/books?id=ACPL_m ... _text&cd=1
Like Buddhist said a page or so back, in Dzogchen there is also Lhun-drub or Lhungrub (and Sounds, Lights, Rays, Ngowo, Rangzhin, Thugs-rJe, gDangs, Rolpa, rTsal, rGyan, mDangs, etc.; not only the Emptiness aspect.