Dzogchen and Buddhism

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Re: Dzogchen and Buddhism

Postby Dronma » Mon May 14, 2012 9:41 pm

"My view is as vast as the sky, but my actions are finer than flour"
~ Padmasambhava ~

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Re: Dzogchen and Buddhism

Postby Sönam » Mon May 14, 2012 9:41 pm

By understanding everything you perceive from the perspective of the view, you are freed from the constraints of philosophical beliefs.
By understanding that any and all mental activity is meditation, you are freed from arbitrary divisions between formal sessions and postmeditation activity.
- Longchen Rabjam -

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Re: Dzogchen and Buddhism

Postby Sönam » Mon May 14, 2012 9:47 pm

By understanding everything you perceive from the perspective of the view, you are freed from the constraints of philosophical beliefs.
By understanding that any and all mental activity is meditation, you are freed from arbitrary divisions between formal sessions and postmeditation activity.
- Longchen Rabjam -

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Re: Dzogchen and Buddhism

Postby Grigoris » Mon May 14, 2012 10:22 pm

"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE

"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
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Re: Dzogchen and Buddhism

Postby Pero » Mon May 14, 2012 10:45 pm

Although many individuals in this age appear to be merely indulging their worldly desires, one does not have the capacity to judge them, so it is best to train in pure vision.
- Shabkar

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Re: Dzogchen and Buddhism

Postby Blue Garuda » Mon May 14, 2012 10:57 pm

Unless one imposes an arbitrary and unproven limit to mind it is not possible to claim there is a path beyond mind. Where is the evidence for it? In your mind maybe ¿¿
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Re: Dzogchen and Buddhism

Postby kirtu » Mon May 14, 2012 11:05 pm



"Even if you practice only for an hour a day with faith and inspiration, good qualities will steadily increase. Regular practice makes it easy to transform your mind. From seeing only relative truth, you will eventually reach a profound certainty in the meaning of absolute truth."
Kyabje Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche.

"Only you can make your mind beautiful."
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Re: Dzogchen and Buddhism

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Re: Dzogchen and Buddhism

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"Even if you practice only for an hour a day with faith and inspiration, good qualities will steadily increase. Regular practice makes it easy to transform your mind. From seeing only relative truth, you will eventually reach a profound certainty in the meaning of absolute truth."
Kyabje Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche.

"Only you can make your mind beautiful."
HH Chetsang Rinpoche

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Re: Dzogchen and Buddhism

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Re: Dzogchen and Buddhism

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Re: Dzogchen and Buddhism

Postby Malcolm » Tue May 15, 2012 12:36 am





འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa

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Re: Dzogchen and Buddhism

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Re: Dzogchen and Buddhism

Postby Bhusuku » Tue May 15, 2012 1:55 am

My dear... I've been away from this forum for only about 24 hours, and now that I'm back all I can say is... WOW! - I really didn't expect that my question would trigger such a lively discussion!

Since I'm pretty sure most of you guys here are way more knowledgeable about Dharma than I am, I just want to add my reason for asking this particular question: it solely arouse from the fact that I heard Norbu Rinpoche again and again saying that we should always go to the essence of things, since life is short.

Now I'm studying Dharma since I was 19 or 20, but I took - well, let's say "a short break" during the last few years... Now I'm 30, did resume my study and practice, and although I forgot quite a lot during my absence, I find that the more I'm studying and practicing now, the more I'm remembering again the stuff I've learned over the years. However, during the last couple of months I found myself more and more pondering the question about what's really necessary to learn in theory to be able deepen my practice. And by reading quite a lot of Namdrol's postings here during the short time since I found this forum, I ran into a couple of statements of him that seemed to indicate that - after decades of studying and practicing - he came to the same conclusion to which I'm slowly coming now: A rudimentary knowledge of Abhidharma, Madhyamaka etc. is of course essential to avoid the dangers of going astray and to understand properly what you're actually doing in your practice. However, the Buddhadharma is so vast that the idea of wanting to be really proficient in all of it's aspects can lead one astray as well. Of course, if you're really really smart and equipped with an eidetic memory (as Namdrol and a few others here sometimes seem to be) you really can become proficient in Abhidharma, Madhyamaka, Prajnaparamita, Pramana and all of the lower and higher tantric teachings, without wasting much time you otherwise could have used for your practice. But if you're dumb like bread as I am, your only choice is to decide whether you'd like to try to become a learned scholar, or whether you want to progress in your practice, because to succeed in both at the same time seems quite impossible.

And if you have the great fortune to have found an realized master who's willing and able to equip you with all the necessary methods to understand your real nature, the decision seems quite simple to me: Life is really short, and in the 30 years I'm here now, I already have seen quite a few good friends at my age perish, and hence I rather try to do my best and invest as much time as possible to make use of the methods my teacher graciously has given to me. Of course that doesn't mean I'm going to stop learning more about sutra and tantra, or falling into the delusion of thinking that I already learned enough, but I don't want to find myself lying on my deathbed one day, thinking to myself: now you've spent thousands of hours learning every little aspect of Abhidharma, Madhyamaka, etc., but wouldn't it had been more useful and wiser to have spend all these hours practicing, while learning only the essential things that are really necessary to do your practice properly?

Well, in the end I'm just a shmuck and I certainly don't want to lead someone astray with my opinions, so if some (or many) of you don't agree with me, please just ignore me as it wouldn't surprise me if I got it all wrong. It's just my humble opinion at this particular point in time - but things can change, as they always do.

:namaste:

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Re: Dzogchen and Buddhism

Postby greentreee » Tue May 15, 2012 4:36 am

immaculate conditions

without exhaustion
what is reasons causation?
is there still, as is?
scratching thick hair'd head,
"if air can be conditioned,
like where's the shampoo?"

"greentreee"

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Re: Dzogchen and Buddhism

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Re: Dzogchen and Buddhism

Postby heart » Tue May 15, 2012 5:15 am

"We are all here to help each other go through this thing, whatever it is."
~Kurt Vonnegut

"The principal practice is Guruyoga. But we need to understand that any secondary practice combined with Guruyoga becomes a principal practice." ChNNR (Teachings on Thun and Ganapuja)

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