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PostPosted: Sat Nov 26, 2011 4:18 pm 
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Tashi delek,

We all know all the illness called cancer.

Regarding cancer there arose some questions in relation to TTM.

- How is cancer seen and general treated in TTM ?
- What are the herbs etc. which can cure what kind of cancer ?
- Where can we obtain those pills or medicines ?
- How can (what kind of) cancer be avoided regarding the TTM ?

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 26, 2011 5:04 pm 
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kalden yungdrung wrote:
Tashi delek,

We all know all the illness called cancer.

Regarding cancer there arose some questions in relation to TTM.

- How is cancer seen and general treated in TTM ?
- What are the herbs etc. which can cure what kind of cancer ?
- Where can we obtain those pills or medicines ?
- How can (what kind of) cancer be avoided regarding the TTM ?

Mutosg Marro
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Western medicine is better than TTM for cancer.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 26, 2011 5:22 pm 
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Namdrol wrote:
kalden yungdrung wrote:
Tashi delek,

We all know all the illness called cancer.

Regarding cancer there arose some questions in relation to TTM.

- How is cancer seen and general treated in TTM ?
- What are the herbs etc. which can cure what kind of cancer ?
- Where can we obtain those pills or medicines ?
- How can (what kind of) cancer be avoided regarding the TTM ?

Mutosg Marro
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Western medicine is better than TTM for cancer.



Tashi delek,

Thanks for your opinion.

How did you came to that conclusion, e.g. that western medicine would be better than TTM regarding the treatment of cancer?

Further is there a lot of research with some herbs who could be used to prevent cancer.

Yes to prevent cancer that is also very important and here is interesting to know what kind of prevention one can use regarding the TTM.

I heard that curcuma can be used to prevent a certain kind of cancer like intestine and prostate cancer and that anti oxidants could be very usefull.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 26, 2011 7:20 pm 
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kalden yungdrung wrote:

How did you came to that conclusion, e.g. that western medicine would be better than TTM regarding the treatment of cancer?



Tibetan Doctors in the Tibetan Hospital in Xining.

Cancers on the outer body can be treated, but cancers of internal organs are not really treatable with Tibetan Medicine.

Prevention is a different issue -- TTM /Ayurveda are more effective than western medicine for prevention of many chronic diseases.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 11:37 am 
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Tashi delek,

Thanks for your replies.

The prevention of illness is the best remedie against all kind of illnesses, that is the best way to cure illness.

- But how can we prevent illness according TTM?

We all know that the lung and excercises like Trulkor etc. would benefit us. But also a peacefull mind is needed based on compassion.

But i guess the main treatment or remedie against cancer will be our daily food.
The herbs we use in the food are here a very clear example of prolonging our health.

Here below did i found a nice link which could illustrate the healthy use of Curcuma. We do use it in our Indonesian kitchen very frequent like in the yellow rice or nasi kuning.

Maybe there are more examples / recommendations, regarding the use of herbs in our daily food which can prevent us from cancer etc.?

http://www.leefbewust.com/themas/geelwortel.html

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 1:49 pm 
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Namdrol wrote:
kalden yungdrung wrote:

How did you came to that conclusion, e.g. that western medicine would be better than TTM regarding the treatment of cancer?



Namdrol wrote:
Tibetan Doctors in the Tibetan Hospital in Xining.
+ What did cause their conclusion e.g. that their treatment according the TTM would be "senseless"? Also seems it strange to me that they do not have remedies against cancer whereas TTM is/ was confrontated with cancer for many centuries.

Namdrol wrote:
Cancers on the outer body can be treated, but cancers of internal organs are not really treatable with Tibetan Medicine.
- Why would that be not treatable with Tibetan Medicine?

Namdrol wrote:
Prevention is a different issue -- TTM /Ayurveda are more effective than western medicine for prevention of many chronic diseases.
- Could you give some examples about the power of TTM / Aryuveda regarding the mentioned prevention of chronic diseases?
- Further, what do you mean with a chronic disease or when is a disease chronic according TTM?


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 4:27 pm 
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kalden yungdrung wrote:
What did cause their conclusion e.g. that their treatment according the TTM would be "senseless"? Also seems it strange to me that they do not have remedies against cancer whereas TTM is/ was confrontated with cancer for many centuries.


According to most Tibetan doctors I know, modern cancers do not really exist in pre-modern Tibet.

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Could you give some examples about the power of TTM / Aryuveda regarding the mentioned prevention of chronic diseases?
- Further, what do you mean with a chronic disease or when is a disease chronic according TTM? [/color]

according to TM, cancers and all chronic diseases come from maldigestion -- other chronic diseases are edemas, benign tumors, and so on.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 5:30 pm 
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The following book (seems that not all of it is available online yet) only touches on Tibetan Medicine specifically, from what I remember; however there are at least two methods described therein for the curing of cancer:

Occult Medicine and Practical Magic

It seems that Samael Aun Weor was mainly influenced by Paracelsus, and some of the South American Tribes such as the Mamas of the Arhuaco, Assario, Kogi, Tairona, etc. of whom he had direct contact with.


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Hi there,
I am trained in western medicine and the reason that western therapy is better at treating cancer is because of the way our therapies are targeted. For instance all cancers are caused by genetic mutations that cause dysregulation of the life cycle of individual cells. All cells at the end of their life are programmed to undergo cell death called apoptosis, what happens with mutations is that this system fails and the cells continue to grow and divide resulting in tumours. this is a very basic explanation and chemotherapy and radiotherapy are aimed at killing off these diseased cells, unfortunately they also kill off normal cells which results in horrendous side effects but it is the best we can do at the moment. also to cure a tumour completely the only 100% effective way of doing that is cut it out and western surgery is more developed in this respect. traditional medicincal doctrines are better at preventing cancer because of their more developed dietary systems/advice.
so to prevent cancer follow the dietary advice of those older systems but if you get cancer it is better to see an oncologist and western surgeon to try to cure it.

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AdmiralJim wrote:
also to cure a tumour completely the only 100% effective way of doing that is cut it out and western surgery is more developed in this respect. traditional medicincal doctrines are better at preventing cancer because of their more developed dietary systems/advice.
so to prevent cancer follow the dietary advice of those older systems but if you get cancer it is better to see an oncologist and western surgeon to try to cure it.



Agreed.

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