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The Western Buddhist Order is now Triratna Buddhist Order

Postby Prasadachitta » Thu Jan 07, 2010 6:02 am

I just thought I would pass the word on to the wider Buddhist community that the Friends of the Western Buddhist Order is now called the Friends of the Triratna Buddhist Order.


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Re: The Western Buddhist Order is now Triratna Buddhist Order

Postby retrofuturist » Thu Jan 07, 2010 7:10 am

Greetings Gabriel,

I think that's pretty daring, knowing about their Anglo-centric history and all, to use a non-English word such as "triratna" (three jewels) to identify themselves.

Thanks for letting us know.

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Re: The Western Buddhist Order is now Triratna Buddhist Order

Postby Sanghamitta » Thu Jan 07, 2010 8:47 am

They actually have a large Indian membership Retro.
I have to admit an interest here, one of my oldest friends is a member, and I know comparisions are odious, but she is one of the finest. wisest. and most dedicated Buddhists I know.
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Re: The Western Buddhist Order is now Triratna Buddhist Order

Postby cooran » Thu Jan 07, 2010 8:52 am

Would the name change be an attempt to move away from the scandals of the past?

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Postby Prasadachitta » Thu Jan 07, 2010 2:43 pm

The reason for the name change was mainly due to a request from Indian Order members. Now the entire order is known by the the same name. Rather in India the name is Triratna Buddha Mahasangha. It was Trilokia Buddha Mahasangha. Apparently the Trilokia part was not well understood beyond Maharastra and the Order is growing all over India. Also their are obvious problems with "western".

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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Postby Prasadachitta » Thu Jan 07, 2010 9:41 pm

Sangharakshita Chose the name. The Indian Order requested that it be changed.
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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: The Western Buddhist Order is now Triratna Buddhist Order

Postby vira » Thu Jan 07, 2010 10:54 pm

I am a member of the order, there have been discussions in the order about five years ago, but we didn't come to a conclusion now Sangharakshita was asked to change it by the Indian order wing and made the decision. It just came last night and we haven't had the time to respond yet, so it will take some time before the webpages and stuff will be adjusted.

Take a look here this is a piece of writing from back then:

http://dharmasights.blogspot.com/

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Postby Cittasanto » Fri Jan 08, 2010 1:24 am

Thanks Vira,
and welcome to Dhamma Wheel.

someone is definately on the ball to get the word out so quick, when I done a search this morning, and just before my last post couldn't find anything with the new name, only buddhist order was pulling up FWBO sites.


He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: The Western Buddhist Order is now Triratna Buddhist Order

Postby jayarava » Sun Jan 10, 2010 3:02 pm

To further clarify: The name change was announced in an email to Order members on Jan 6th. The Western Buddhist Order is now called the Triratna Buddhist Order. We're not sure what the Friends will be called, though the suggestion is that it simply be the Friends of the Triratna Buddhist Order.

Nothing much has changed internet wise because the people who deal with central websites are, coincidentally, are at the week-long meeting of European Centre Chairs at the moment. Also the centres are autonomous and sometimes things take a while to filter through. Hopefully it won't take as long as changing the name of the order! The article Vira linked to is from 1995, so the discussions have been going on for at least 15 years.

I'm planning a for Friday to give my impressions of the change and what it means.

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Re: The Western Buddhist Order is now Triratna Buddhist Order

Postby Prasadachitta » Sun Jan 17, 2010 4:56 pm

Hi all,

Apparently the "Friends of the Western Buddhist Order" is going to be called the "Tiratna Buddhist Community"

This will translate more closely with the name that is used in India.

I think changes on web sites and such will be slow as the "organization" is made up of autonomous non profits all with their own governing councils.


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Re: The Western Buddhist Order is now Triratna Buddhist Order

Postby BlackBird » Mon Jan 18, 2010 1:46 am

I have to ask, and my apologies if I appear blunt, but how many of our members here are members of the Tiratna Buddhist order, formerly Friends of the Western Buddhist order?

If you are a member, what do you have to say about the FWBO cult files that Chris posted above?

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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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Re: The Western Buddhist Order is now Triratna Buddhist Order

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"For a disciple who has conviction in the Teacher's message & lives to penetrate it, what accords with the Dhamma is this:
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"For a disciple who has conviction in the Teacher's message & lives to penetrate it, what accords with the Dhamma is this:
'The Blessed One is the Teacher, I am a disciple. He is the one who knows, not I." -

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Postby Prasadachitta » Mon Jan 18, 2010 6:49 am

"Beautifully taught is the Lord's Dhamma, immediately apparent, timeless, of the nature of a personal invitation, progressive, to be attained by the wise, each for himself." Anguttara Nikaya V.332

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Re: The Western Buddhist Order is now Triratna Buddhist Order

Postby Wakefull » Thu Feb 11, 2010 10:08 pm

I am a member of the Western Buddhist Order and just wanted to clarify that amongst the Order things are not as clear as they appear on this thread.

Sangharakshita, the founder of the WBO, sent an email out with a new name mentioned in it.

Now some of us believed the email was in effect Sangharakshita changing the name of the Order whilst others amongst us saw it as a suggestion from Sangharakshita - there is still some lack of clarity in this area.

So it is not clear whether or not the name has been changed by sangharakshita and there is debate going on within the Order to this effect. In fact some people are unhappy about Sangharakshita changing the name without consulting the Order first - if this is what has happened...

I would like to make it clear that the Western Buddhist Order is not always of one mind - which to me is not a problem as it is no different to the dynamics we all encounter most days of our lives.

My hope is that the name change takes some time as there is not unity in wanting to adopt this name within the Order and I feel we can use this opportunity to improve how we come to make decisions and understand each other...


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