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Spontaneous generation?

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Spontaneous generation?

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Re: Spontaneous generation?

Postby Kim OHara » Sat Jan 02, 2010 6:34 am

Hi, Reductor,
I saw the title of your thread and thought of 'spontaneous generation' as understood in the West before the microscope was invented and Pasteur came along. In fact, that is much the same theory as this sutta's 'moisture-born generation': 'these beings born in a rotten fish, in a rotten corpse, in rotten dough, in a cesspit, or in a sewer; this is called moisture-born generation'.
In both cases, a rational-enough theory based on naked-eye observation but replaceable by a better one when better observing instruments were available.

But spontaneous generation of 'gods and denizens of hell and certain human beings and some beings in the lower worlds' is quite different, and new to me.

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Re: Spontaneous generation?

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Re: Spontaneous generation?

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Re: Spontaneous generation?

Postby AdvaitaJ » Sat Jan 02, 2010 8:36 pm

Thereductor,

I just checked my hardcopy for footnotes and there are none pertaining to this section. Much of the sutta is related to expounding what skills the Tathagata possesses that sets him apart but there is no clear connection to that argument in this section...at least as far as I can tell.

On my list of things to investigate is the question of the term rebirth being applied in a moment-to-moment context. I.e., we are all constantly being reborn from one moment of existence to the next. I recently listened to a talk where the speaker made the assertion that there is significantly more material in the canon for rebirth in this context than in the one-lifetime-to-the-next context. This presumes, of course, that "spontaneous generation" is synonymous with rebirth in this context.

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