Kunsangar South Retreat with Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Re: Kunsangar South Retreat with Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Postby Malcolm » Fri May 13, 2011 4:25 pm

Fa Dao wrote:Namdrol,
for those of us not as well versed in Dzogchen would you mind explaining some of the terminology? for example:
"tridlung of Short Thun practice" and
"Ati Guru Yoga" how is this different from regular Guru Yoga?



Trilung = khrid lung i.e. an oral transmission of a basic short practice which includes refuge, guru yoga, deity yoga practice, dedication, etc.

Ati guru yoga means a kind of Guru yoga done in the most essential way. It differs from regular guru yoga in that it is the most essential possible guru yoga apart from being in the state of the realization of the guru.

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Re: Kunsangar South Retreat with Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Postby Fa Dao » Fri May 13, 2011 6:14 pm

Very nice...thanks for your help
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Re: Kunsangar South Retreat with Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Postby Pero » Sat May 14, 2011 10:58 am

Fa Dao wrote:Anyone know when the texts for this will be posted?

I don't know but you should know that in general the texts posted are in Tibetan.
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Re: Kunsangar South Retreat with Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Postby Pema Rigdzin » Sat May 14, 2011 1:28 pm

Does Rinpoche usually give the lung for the Song of the Vajra during these types of teachings?
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Re: Kunsangar South Retreat with Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Postby Malcolm » Sat May 14, 2011 1:38 pm

Pema Rigdzin wrote:Does Rinpoche usually give the lung for the Song of the Vajra during these types of teachings?



Always
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Re: Kunsangar South Retreat with Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Postby Clarence » Sat May 14, 2011 4:04 pm

That was a nice introduction (the part I was able to see). Looking forward to tomorrow.
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Re: Kunsangar South Retreat with Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Postby Dechen Norbu » Sat May 14, 2011 4:13 pm

Did you experience any problem? The video froze for a while, but reloading the page fixed it. When the video really freezes, one can open audio at another tab and keep listening, while trying to reload the video page. I don't know if this was your problem, but when it happens that's how I usually solve it. :smile:
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Re: Kunsangar South Retreat with Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Postby Clarence » Sat May 14, 2011 4:18 pm

No, no problem. Wasn't able to leave work earlier than 1 hr. before the end of webacst. So I saw the last part. Tomorrow I will be there for the whole session and try the rest of the week as well.
Did he say anything about Direct Introduction?
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Re: Kunsangar South Retreat with Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Postby Josef » Sat May 14, 2011 8:53 pm

Clarence wrote:No, no problem. Wasn't able to leave work earlier than 1 hr. before the end of webacst. So I saw the last part. Tomorrow I will be there for the whole session and try the rest of the week as well.
Did he say anything about Direct Introduction?

The topics were introduced and a general overview was given today (im pretty sure, I lost my connection before the end).
Tomorrow will have transmissions etc.
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Re: Kunsangar South Retreat with Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Postby Pema Rigdzin » Sun May 15, 2011 12:50 am

Hey guys, so the next session is 10am-12pm Crimea time, correct?
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Re: Kunsangar South Retreat with Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Postby Josef » Sun May 15, 2011 2:06 am

Pema Rigdzin wrote:Hey guys, so the next session is 10am-12pm Crimea time, correct?

Yes. :smile:
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Re: Kunsangar South Retreat with Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Postby Pema Rigdzin » Sun May 15, 2011 3:54 am

Thanks Nangwa! Will be tuning in. Just checked the files page on the webcast site and they haven't posted the text associated with these teachings. Have any of you DC members received it somehow and can you pass it on if you have?
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Re: Kunsangar South Retreat with Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Postby Josef » Sun May 15, 2011 4:46 am

Pema Rigdzin wrote:Thanks Nangwa! Will be tuning in. Just checked the files page on the webcast site and they haven't posted the text associated with these teachings. Have any of you DC members received it somehow and can you pass it on if you have?

I haven't seen it yet.
It might take a couple more days but they will get it up there.
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Re: Kunsangar South Retreat with Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Postby Clarence » Sun May 15, 2011 2:20 pm

I listened this morning and then had to work, but I wanted to say that I was very impressed and inspired by his teaching. He really goes to the core and clarifies why he teaches Dzogchen the way he does. I also enjoyed his Mirror and Chrystal explanations. They helped clear up some confusion I had.
I look forward to tomorrow's webcast.
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Re: Kunsangar South Retreat with Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Postby alpha » Sun May 15, 2011 3:16 pm

Namdrol wrote:
Fa Dao wrote:Namdrol,
for those of us not as well versed in Dzogchen would you mind explaining some of the terminology? for example:
"tridlung of Short Thun practice" and
"Ati Guru Yoga" how is this different from regular Guru Yoga?



Trilung = khrid lung i.e. an oral transmission of a basic short practice which includes refuge, guru yoga, deity yoga practice, dedication, etc.

Ati guru yoga means a kind of Guru yoga done in the most essential way. It differs from regular guru yoga in that it is the most essential possible guru yoga apart from being in the state of the realization of the guru.

N



is ati guru yoga part of short thun practice?
If this ati guru yoga is the most essential possible guru yoga then is it enough that one does only this type of guru yoga? i take "most essential possible" to mean most important...is that correct?

is the short thun practice a kind of preliminary type of practice?
i must admit that i have difficulty in 1.understanding rinpoche and 2.understanding where would these practices fit in?

i still see things in a kind of gradual fashion and all my questions stem from this ..
At what point one does this thun practice?

thank you..
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Re: Kunsangar South Retreat with Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Postby Malcolm » Sun May 15, 2011 3:31 pm

alpha wrote:

is ati guru yoga part of short thun practice?



Yes. It is also a stand alone practice.

If this ati guru yoga is the most essential possible guru yoga then is it enough that one does only this type of guru yoga? i take "most essential possible" to mean most important...is that correct?


Yes. It is sufficient.


is the short thun practice a kind of preliminary type of practice?


No, it is a complete practice that integrates Ati yoga and Anuyoga. The medium and long thun integrate Mahayoga, Anuyoga and Atiyoga.

i must admit that i have difficulty in 1.understanding rinpoche and 2.understanding where would these practices fit in?


You will get used to Rinpoche's English and his terminology over time. Primordial state = gzhi i.e.basis; presence = mindfulness, dran pa; instant presence, knowledge = rig pa. essence nature and energy = ngo bo, rang bzhin and thugs rjes.


i still see things in a kind of gradual fashion and all my questions stem from this ..
At what point one does this thun practice?


Whenever you have more time. No time, White A; more time, short thun, even more time, medium thun, etc. There is no specific preliminary practice to do in Dzogchen Community. Perhaps one should learn how to sing song of the vajra properly. A sample practice might run -- purification mantra of five elements; guru yoga of white A and Song of the vajra, dedication. This is a pure Atiyoga practice. But Rinpoche has remarked there is no such a thing as "pure" Atiyoga. Why? Because practitioners have needs since we have dualistic vision. Therefore, we need things like Mandarava practice for long life, Garuda for cancer, etc. But the one thing that is indispensable is Guru Yoga of White A.

If you like gradual style, than I encourage you to study for the base level exam of Santi Mahāsangha. Obtain the book Precious Vase.
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Re: Kunsangar South Retreat with Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Postby Madeliaette » Sun May 15, 2011 3:36 pm

Did you experience any problem? The video froze for a while,

Ah, so there was a video problem then - I thought the 'cut out' was because it transferred to secret teachings rather than general at that point, so I turned it off! Silly me!
I tried to watch it - and got the begining where they were all getting ready and the first 50-55 minutes of the talk - at which point it froze and went black/blank. Even that short attempt to tune in was interupted - my dad woke up from his nap and was neing sick and so I had to hop downstairs for ten minutes... Oh well, it seems there are teachings given a couple of times a year - maybe next time, I will have better luck, not have a sick father and remember that tip on how to fix the video! :thanks:
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Re: Kunsangar South Retreat with Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Postby Malcolm » Sun May 15, 2011 3:39 pm

Madeliaette wrote:
Did you experience any problem? The video froze for a while,

Ah, so there was a video problem then - I thought the 'cut out' was because it transferred to secret teachings rather than general at that point, so I turned it off! Silly me!
I tried to watch it - and got the begining where they were all getting ready and the first 50-55 minutes of the talk - at which point it froze and went black/blank. Even that short attempt to tune in was interupted - my dad woke up from his nap and was neing sick and so I had to hop downstairs for ten minutes... Oh well, it seems there are teachings given a couple of times a year - maybe next time, I will have better luck, not have a sick father and remember that tip on how to fix the video! :thanks:



There are teachings more than a couple times a year. So you listen tomorrow morning as well.

They never turn off camera during a webcast for that reason.

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Re: Kunsangar South Retreat with Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Postby Clarence » Sun May 15, 2011 3:51 pm

Namdrol wrote:Whenever you have more time. No time, White A; more time, short thun, even more time, medium thun, etc. There is no specific preliminary practice to do in Dzogchen Community. Perhaps one should learn how to sing song of the vajra properly. A sample practice might run -- purification mantra of five elements; guru yoga of white A and Song of the vajra, dedication. This is a pure Atiyoga practice. But Rinpoche has remarked there is no such a thing as "pure" Atiyoga. Why? Because practitioners have needs since we have dualistic vision. Therefore, we need things like Mandarava practice for long life, Garuda for cancer, etc. But the one thing that is indispensable is Guru Yoga of White A.

If you like gradual style, than I encourage you to study for the base level exam of Santi Mahāsangha. Obtain the book Precious Vase.


So, even just after today's teachings, if we become members of DC, we can start practicing the Semdzins, Lojongs and Rushens to take away all doubts? Is that what you would recommend for someone who is still unsure about Rigpa?
Do the booklets provide accurate enough descriptions of HOW to do them?

For example, with the Guru Yoga of the white A, is there a special place on visualises the A or not at all? I didn't completely understand that.
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Re: Kunsangar South Retreat with Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Postby alpha » Sun May 15, 2011 4:00 pm

@Namdrol..

Thank you very much for clarification
That was very helpful .
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