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Why not ordain?

Discussion of ordination, the Vinaya and monastic life. How and where to ordain? Bhikkhuni ordination etc.
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Re: Why not ordain?

Postby rowyourboat » Tue Jun 14, 2011 3:45 pm

I think it is a blessing to be ordained, not a curse, whatever the age, whatever the quality of teaching that they receive- to do something like that in your samsaric journey I believe can strongly 'bend it' towards enlightenment, at some point.

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Re: Why not ordain?

Postby beeblebrox » Tue Jun 14, 2011 3:58 pm

While it's true that some people seem to have the knack to be a monk, and others don't, it has nothing to do with age, or "life experience," which would be a kind of self-aggrandizement. (Even when it's well-intentioned, i.e., to keep someone from making a decision that you think he might regret... this is still based on a delusion, that your own life is exactly the reference point that everyone should work from.)

We all live in the same world... experiencing the same causes and conditions (more or less). The only difference is the kamma... the way we act, or react. For example, I'm deaf, but I would never think that I'm suffering more than someone who's not deaf, or that I'm more experienced than them in some areas. This would be delusional for me.

Of course, in the U.S. (or any other place where the monkhood is considered unusual), it's not really conductive for someone to be a monk... but that doesn't mean we should discourage someone if that's something he wants to do.

I also think that he should get all the support that we can give. (Not just dana, but also by sharing the Dhamma.) In exchange, that will be fruitful for everyone in the long run. (Just think about it...) Of course there still will be some failure, but that's life.

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Re: Why not ordain?

Postby Jhana4 » Tue Jun 14, 2011 5:54 pm

In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.

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Re: Why not ordain?

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Re: Why not ordain?

Postby BlackBird » Tue Jun 14, 2011 11:57 pm

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"For a disciple who has conviction in the Teacher's message & lives to penetrate it, what accords with the Dhamma is this:
'The Blessed One is the Teacher, I am a disciple. He is the one who knows, not I." -

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Re: Why not ordain?

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Re: Why not ordain?

Postby manas » Wed Jun 15, 2011 1:22 am

Hi Future Bhikkhu,
may I respectfully suggest that this question be directed exclusively towards those without young children. Those of us with lil ones - who are not only physically dependent on us, but also emotionally dependent - would be performing a selfish act to just 'up and leave'. This would not only hurt them in the short term, but quite possibly make them averse to Buddhism in the long-term. (Before anyone invokes the action taken by the Bodhisatta in this regard - please note - I'm not the Bodhisatta! Plus it's a different time and place...back then, perhaps fathers were often not so involved in the day-to-day rearing of younger children (?) - plus there would have been extended family around to make up for Siddhatta's absence...totally different situation for me right now, I'm needed on all levels!).

When my dear lil ones are older (maybe both in their late teens?), and only if my ex is able to manage with them on her own - then I would consider it.

When they have fully grown up and are independent, however - I will seek out an appropriate monastery willing to accept a novice who by then will be 52 years old (I'm now 42). I hope to be still physically able (for sweeping, cleaning etc), and hopefully debt-free! :twothumbsup:

In the meantime, however, I don't see why I cannot also make good progress as a layperson...so I don't intend to wait till I turn 52, when I might not even see out this day in one piece... :thinking: ...got to practice now, no time to wait for ideal conditions!

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Then the Blessed One, picking up a tiny bit of dust with the tip of his fingernail, said to the monk, "There isn't even this much form...feeling...
perception...fabrications...consciousness that is constant, lasting, eternal, not subject to change, that will stay just as it is as long as eternity."

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Re: Why not ordain?

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Re: Why not ordain?

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