Purification Practices in Sutra, Tantra & Dzogchen

[Mr. G]

Dr Jim Valby

PURIFICATION PRACTICES IN SUTRA, TANTRA AND DZOGCHEN

October 14-16

Jim Valby attended graduate school while driving a school bus,
programming computers, teaching violin, and running a nuclear reactor.
He earned Masters and Doctorate degrees in Tibetan Buddhism focusing on
Shri Singha, Vimalamitra, and computers at the University of
Saskatchewan under Professor Herbert Guenther. In 1982, he participated
in his first retreat with Chogyal Namkhai Norbu. Since 1989, he has
lived in Western Massachusetts, near the Dzogchen Community's North
American base Tsegyalgar East, working on translations from Tibetan,
transcripts of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu retreats and other Dzogchen
Community projects.

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[Sönam]

There is no purification practices in Dzogchen ... purifications practices belong to other yanas.

Sönam

[Mr. G]

There is no purification practices in Dzogchen ... purifications practices belong to other yanas.

Sönam

So there's no purification of the 6 lokas?

[Karma Dondrup Tashi]

I'm taught the three outer/lower tantras are the path of purification.

Rinpoche has referred to the "ten absences" of the Kunche Gyälpo as the equivalent of Dzogchen samaya, one of which is "there are no bhumis one has to achieve through purification."

Having said that vajra dance appears to be a six lokas practice.

[Malcolm]

There is no purification practices in Dzogchen ... purifications practices belong to other yanas.

Sönam

Of course there are purification practices in Dzogchen, very many in fact. Vajrasattva, etc.

[Malcolm]

I'm taught the three outer/lower tantras are the path of purification.

Rinpoche has referred to the "ten absences" of the Kunche Gyälpo as the equivalent of Dzogchen samaya, one of which is "there are no bhumis one has to achieve through purification."

Having said that vajra dance appears to be a six lokas practice.

ChNN teaches purification practices like the Longsal Ngondro.

N

[Sönam]

There is no purification practices in Dzogchen ... purifications practices belong to other yanas.

Sönam

Of course there are purification practices in Dzogchen, very many in fact. Vajrasattva, etc.

Vajrasattva and others does not "belong" to Dzogchen, also Dzogchenpa can practice it ... the only "purification" I can imagine is reactualisation. We are back to Garab Dorje's Three Precepts.

... or ?

Sönam

[Malcolm]

There is no purification practices in Dzogchen ... purifications practices belong to other yanas.

Sönam

Of course there are purification practices in Dzogchen, very many in fact. Vajrasattva, etc.

Vajrasattva and others does not "belong" to Dzogchen, also Dzogchenpa can practice it ... the only "purification" I can imagine is reactualisation. We are back to Garab Dorje's Three Precepts.

... or ?

Sönam

Or all the purification practices recommended in the Dzogchen man ngag sde tantras such as Vajrasattva practice, prostrations, mandala, Guru Yoga, etc., you name it., they are all there.

Norbu Rinpoche said it best "There is no such thing as pure Dzogchen".

N

[conebeckham]

Oh yeah, Namdrol? How about this....

"Vajrasattva is pure Dzogchen."




I dare anyone to argue that statement.

(I'm sure someone will, though...such is the nature of Internet Forums, even those that are pure from the beginning...)

Sorry, couldn't resist.

[Josef]

There is no purification practices in Dzogchen ... purifications practices belong to other yanas.

Sönam

Of course there are purification practices in Dzogchen, very many in fact. Vajrasattva, etc.

Vajrasattva and others does not "belong" to Dzogchen, also Dzogchenpa can practice it ... the only "purification" I can imagine is reactualisation. We are back to Garab Dorje's Three Precepts.

... or ?

Sönam

Purification of the elements.
Purification of the six lokas.

Lots of different Dzogchen purification practices.