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Rebirth and the universe

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Rebirth and the universe

Postby Collective » Sat Nov 21, 2009 11:16 am

Scientists say the universe is expanding, that it wasn't always here. They also say one day it may collapse, revert back to it's initial mode of not being.

Where were we all before the universe came into being and where will we go after it collpases? The second part about collapsing, I'm not sure if it's a widely held theory, but the expanding from nothing is. Did we somehow exist in whatever way shape or form before the universe came to be?

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Re: Rebirth and the universe

Postby Ben » Sat Nov 21, 2009 11:33 am

Hi Collective
A couple of years ago i went to a teaching with the Dalai Lama where he talked about conditionality and the universe. 'The universe was caused by the big bang, but what caused the big bang? Another big bang and there was one before that and before that...countless big bangs' or words to that effect. And that appears to be in keeping with the cosmology as presented in the Theravada as well.
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Re: Rebirth and the universe

Postby Moggalana » Sat Nov 21, 2009 11:46 am

Let it come. Let it be. Let it go.

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Re: Rebirth and the universe

Postby retrofuturist » Sat Nov 21, 2009 12:03 pm

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

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Re: Rebirth and the universe

Postby Ben » Sat Nov 21, 2009 12:09 pm

Similar to what Moggalana?
A discussion between an astrophysicist and a monastic?
My own opinion is that while such discussions and explorations into the possible reconcilliation of science and Dhamma are interesting - they're essentially a distraction from the main game.
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Ben
“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Rebirth and the universe

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Re: Rebirth and the universe

Postby Moggalana » Sat Nov 21, 2009 3:42 pm

Yes, Ben, you are right. Distractions they are - at least ultimately. But to someone who has been interested in science for his whole life they are very interesting distractions. Books like this played a very important role in my journey towards the buddhist path. Practice, which leads to direct experience of the nature of existence, is of utmost importance, of course.
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Re: Rebirth and the universe

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Re: Rebirth and the universe

Postby acinteyyo » Sat Nov 21, 2009 4:20 pm

Thag 1.20. Ajita - I do not fear death; nor do I long for life. I’ll lay down this body, aware and mindful.

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Re: Rebirth and the universe

Postby retrofuturist » Sat Nov 21, 2009 9:41 pm

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Rebirth and the universe

Postby Ben » Sat Nov 21, 2009 9:52 pm

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Rebirth and the universe

Postby cooran » Sat Nov 21, 2009 10:24 pm

---The trouble is that you think you have time---
---Worry is the Interest, paid in advance, on a debt you may never owe---
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Re: Rebirth and the universe

Postby pink_trike » Sat Nov 21, 2009 10:39 pm

I don't see any incompatibility with science's interest in the universe (actually multiverse - it is highly unlikely that there is only one universe). Everything that appears "out there" operates in the same way that everything that appears "in here" does. With that in mind, the Dharma is visible wherever we look if we wake up to it, and everywhere we look helps us to wake up to it.
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Re: Rebirth and the universe

Postby Ben » Sat Nov 21, 2009 11:31 pm

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Rebirth and the universe

Postby pink_trike » Sun Nov 22, 2009 12:46 am

Vision is Mind
Mind is Empty
Emptiness is Clear Light
Clear Light is Union
Union is Great Bliss

- Dawa Gyaltsen

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Disclaimer: I'm a non-religious practitioner of Theravada, Mahayana/Vajrayana, and Tibetan Bon Dzogchen mind-training.

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Re: Rebirth and the universe

Postby Ben » Sun Nov 22, 2009 1:05 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Rebirth and the universe

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Re: Rebirth and the universe

Postby pink_trike » Sun Nov 22, 2009 2:14 am

Vision is Mind
Mind is Empty
Emptiness is Clear Light
Clear Light is Union
Union is Great Bliss

- Dawa Gyaltsen

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Disclaimer: I'm a non-religious practitioner of Theravada, Mahayana/Vajrayana, and Tibetan Bon Dzogchen mind-training.

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Re: Rebirth and the universe

Postby christopher::: » Sun Nov 22, 2009 3:12 am

"As Buddhists, we should aim to develop relationships that are not predominated by grasping and clinging. Our relationships should be characterised by the brahmaviharas of metta (loving kindness), mudita (sympathetic joy), karuna (compassion), and upekkha (equanimity)."
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Re: Rebirth and the universe

Postby Moggalana » Sun Nov 22, 2009 7:50 am

Let it come. Let it be. Let it go.


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