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Kali Yuga - Age of vice

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Kali Yuga - Age of vice

Postby Zom » Wed Jan 04, 2012 7:53 am

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Re: Kali Yuga - Age of vice

Postby Sanghamitta » Wed Jan 04, 2012 9:09 am

How about a poll which shows the possibility of not adhering in a literal way to Hindu cosmology at all ?
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Re: Kali Yuga - Age of vice

Postby Ben » Wed Jan 04, 2012 10:01 am

Hi Zom
The current age (second sasana of Gotama Buddha) is one where we have the opportunity to practice Dhamma.
It is something I recommend you do.
Life is short and the opportunity to practice is extraordinarily rare.
Don't waste a moment!
kind regards,

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Re: Kali Yuga - Age of vice

Postby Bhikkhu Pesala » Wed Jan 04, 2012 10:37 am

The key point is that during an age of vice it is still possible to practice virtue, and in a so-called golden age, such as when a Buddha is alive and teaching, it was still possible to practice vice.

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Re: Kali Yuga - Age of vice

Postby chownah » Wed Jan 04, 2012 12:14 pm

What exactly is an "age"?
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Re: Kali Yuga - Age of vice

Postby santa100 » Wed Jan 04, 2012 2:52 pm

It's definitely a weird age because the rapid advancement of technology really pushes the pace of both vice and virtue to the same lightning speed. New discoveries in areas of medicine and genetics are significantly prolonging human lifespan. With quantum leaps in stem cell research, in a near future, one can just walk into an organ store and replace any cancerous organ just like we replace our cars' parts with new ones from Autozone or Pepboys. Chronic diseases, cancer, or AIDS are no longer the death sentences to a patient. On the other hand, just look at the terrible cost of environmental pollution: global warming, coral bleaching, bee colony collapse,etc. So, like the theory of inflation in physics, the cosmic force simply "inflates" both good and evil to such enormous size. Because of that, tipping the balance toward a Dark Age or a Golden Age is still open-ended. It depends on each and every individual's effort. It's all up to you and me now..

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Re: Kali Yuga - Age of vice

Postby kirk5a » Wed Jan 04, 2012 3:14 pm

I said Golden Age because of the wide availability of the Buddha's teachings. Even someone in an impoverished country can study all the teachings if they can get to a computer somewhere. And our technology of travel makes it possible to easily go long distances to work with a teacher, or find a community, or ordain at a monastery, at an affordable expense. Those seem like almost miraculous abilities. As for as society as a whole, well that's in flux as always... I see a growing number of people who are trying to establish a moral basis for society, finding ways to alleviate suffering for themselves and others by putting the Buddha's teachings into practice.. I think this will continue to grow. So I don't subscribe to a decline theory.
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Re: Kali Yuga - Age of vice

Postby Zom » Wed Jan 04, 2012 7:04 pm

Oh please come on, this thread is posted in the Lounge - not in Meditation or whatever section ;)

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Re: Kali Yuga - Age of vice

Postby kirk5a » Wed Jan 04, 2012 8:44 pm

"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Re: Kali Yuga - Age of vice

Postby Zom » Wed Jan 04, 2012 9:01 pm

I considered this a little bit today... well, there is a workaround explanation if we take the idea that today is a Golden Age and life span is actually increasing, not decreasing. Though it is a little bit clumsy. If we take into account commentarial explanation to one sutta in SN about life spans, then in our case there appears an explanation that we shouldn't take direct approach to this sutta prophecy. How is that? In DN Buddha says that in the past the life span was 80.000 years, then 70.000, ect... to 250. And then it lowered to 100. After that Buddha uses future time, and says it will be 10 years. So the explanation is this: when he spoke about 100 years life span, he missed some past period when the life-span decreased from 250 to 100 and then to 10 and then raised back again to 100. So actually Buddha appeared in the world when "the era of increasing" started (where we are now). But - he tells us that in the future life span will be 10 years, not 250. So the idea is that it will, but only after the peak of 80.000 ,) So at the present time life span is increasing, and in some future time it will be 80.000, but then it will drop to 10 again. And from there it will reach 80.000 again (and it is here when Buddha Metteya appears).

Like this:

80.000 > 250 > 100 > 10 > 100 (here we are) > 250 > 500... 1000... 80.000 > ...1000... 250.. 10 (1st prophecy) > 100 ... 250 ...1000... 80.000 (Metteya prophecy).

8-) :tongue:


But, if we take the idea that today is a Dark Age, then like this:

80.000 > 10000... 250 > 100 (here we are) > 10 (1st prophecy) > 250 > 1000 ... > 80.000 (Metteya)

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Re: Kali Yuga - Age of vice

Postby Ytrog » Thu Jan 05, 2012 12:07 am

80.000 is probably not even far-fetched if you consider genetics, cybernetics and maybe even uploading in the future. This, however presents a whole new problem of what is human for people wanting to ordain (you need to be human according to ) :stirthepot:

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Re: Kali Yuga - Age of vice

Postby Sanghamitta » Thu Jan 05, 2012 1:30 pm

The going for refuge is the door of entrance to the teachings of the Buddha.

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