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Re: book or sutta club??

Postby retrofuturist » Wed Jan 21, 2009 12:44 am

Greetings,

The modern section seems to make sense to me because it aims to cover all Theravada perspectives, from Buddha to Buddhaghosa to Buddhadasa... just like 'real-life' Theravada circa 2009, rather than circa 509.

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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: book or sutta club??

Postby jcsuperstar » Wed Jan 21, 2009 1:44 am

sounds good :hug:
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Re: book or sutta club??

Postby David N. Snyder » Wed Jan 21, 2009 1:52 am

Sounds like an online Kalyana Mitta (spiritual friends) group. Some Dhamma centers have those where various topics or books are taken and discussed one at a time for more in-depth analysis. :twothumbsup:
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Re: book or sutta club??

Postby mikenz66 » Wed Jan 21, 2009 2:17 am

I'm not sure that the sequence matters too much, since people will come and go, but I'd go for some of the Suttas from the Majjhima Nikaya. They are a nice size to discuss, and there is a lot of information in the form of talks and writings that could be used as background.

There are Bhikkhu Bodhi's talks:
http://www.bodhimonastery.net/bm/about- ... ikaya.html
BSWA talks (Ajahns Brahm, Vayama, Brahmali, etc)
http://www.bswa.org/audio/podcast/DhammaTalks.rss.php
Talks by Bhante Vimalaramsi
http://www.dhammasukha.org/
Pressing out Pure Honey, by Sharda Rogell
PDF here: http://www.dharma.org/bcbs/Pages/publications.html

Shaila Catherine has been running courses on the MN. She's up to the last fifty here:
http://www.imsb.org/programs/MajjhimaNi ... tFifty.php

A small group here has done the first two fifties (I only joined midway through the second) and I guess we'll start on her notes for the last fifty in a month or two.

All of the above use the Nanamoli/Bodhi translation. They all take rather different approaches.

My suggestion would be to just have someone compile a list of maybe 50 suttas from the MN in some sort of order and discuss one per week. The easiest way to compile a list would be to just use Bhikkhu Bodhi's ordering:
http://www.bodhimonastery.net/bm/images ... llabus.pdf
Once we had a list assigning Suttas to weeks it would basically run itself... Anyone could "kick off" the next week.

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Mike

EDIT: Of course using Nanamoli's book or In the Buddha's Words would also be fine... :reading:

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Postby jcsuperstar » Wed Jan 21, 2009 2:25 am

well the good thing about the MN is that i have a copy, wait i mean that there are alreay other places online we can get inspiration... and various monks who we can read from on how to see these discourses.

i'd be fine with that.

EDIT: i dont care what order theyre in, so i sugesst that those who have some sort of preference about this speak up and it'll be you guys who pick the order.
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Re: book or sutta club??

Postby retrofuturist » Wed Jan 21, 2009 2:29 am

Greetings JC,

I think Mike's idea about following Bhikkhu Bodhi's program is a good one.

I'll start knock up something based on this.

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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Postby jcsuperstar » Wed Jan 21, 2009 2:35 am

im excited... kinda makes me feel like a dork... but i'm excited :geek:
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Re: book or sutta club??

Postby retrofuturist » Wed Jan 21, 2009 2:47 am

Greetings,

Now open for business...

Dhamma Wheel Study Group
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Please provide comments and feedback in this thread.

Thanks everyone for your ideas and input. :thumbsup:

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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Postby jcsuperstar » Wed Jan 21, 2009 3:04 am

oh oh if theres a bodhi talk on it, can the link to that be put in the thread too?
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Re: book or sutta club??

Postby Will » Wed Jan 21, 2009 3:28 am

A bodhisattva does not become weary of evil beings nor does he commit the error of bringing forth thoughts inclined to reject them and cast them aside. Avatamsaka Sutra, ch. 25

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Re: book or sutta club??

Postby David N. Snyder » Wed Jan 21, 2009 3:43 am

Bhante, like many other bhikkhus has many, many other duties that are off-line that we do not see, such as pastoral duties at his temple.

I am happy about the wealth of time that we do get with great monks like Bhante Dhammanando and the others who post here. We cannot expect the monks here to take on even more time than they already give us.
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Re: book or sutta club??

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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: book or sutta club??

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Re: book or sutta club??

Postby tiltbillings » Wed Jan 21, 2009 8:59 am

Pali Text Society's Pali Englih Dictionary:

http://dsal.uchicago.edu/dictionaries/pali/

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Re: book or sutta club??

Postby retrofuturist » Wed Jan 21, 2009 9:00 am

Greetings Will, all,

I was thinking we could do a sutta weekly, and in parallel, a book monthly for those who were interested.

Best I think for us to make the first book we review one which is also available to read online because sometimes books take a while to order and post. For the second text onwards it won't matter so much.

Anyhow, I'm going to close this thread now, so that future brainstorming can take in...

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Thanks again everyone for your input.

Metta,
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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: book or sutta club??

Postby Dhammanando » Wed Jan 21, 2009 9:02 am

Hi Manapa,

I should add that chapter 12 of Ñāṇamoli's book — the one giving a summary of the Buddha's teaching — is available:



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Dhammanando Bhikkhu


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