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perception?

Postby Gena1480 » Mon Jul 18, 2011 11:50 pm

what is the aggregate of perception?
can someone give me a right understanding of what is perception?
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Re: perception?

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Re: perception?

Postby Moth » Tue Jul 19, 2011 3:54 pm

I don't understand what Buddha means by ceasing perception, is it that we should, for example, no longer perceive diversity of color? Or should we cease the expression it causes, i.e "I perceive this color"?
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Re: perception?

Postby retrofuturist » Tue Jul 19, 2011 11:20 pm

Greetings Moth,

Nanavira Thera briefly explores the differential between saññá and viññána (perception and consciousness) here...

Notes on Dhamma - Saññá
http://www.nanavira.110mb.com/sn-sanna.htm

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Re: perception?

Postby nameless » Wed Jul 20, 2011 1:14 pm

Moth,

I don't know if the language is intentional, but note that it says "The path of practice for the cessation of perception should be known.", instead of "cease perception". It's not something you can actively and intentionally cease, but rather following "just this noble eightfold path — right view, right resolve, right speech, right action, right livelihood, right effort, right mindfulness, right concentration — is the way leading to the cessation of perception."

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Re: perception?

Postby Gena1480 » Wed Jul 20, 2011 10:58 pm

i still dont understand it
i need defenition of it, what is perception
the best i understand it, as it is awareness of different marks of object, like color or shape?
from what i understand perception is always changing
we percieve blue color is blue because we have been thought this way
but somebody else may percieve blue as red, from that i can make conclusion that there is no true nature in percetion
it is a fake reality
now the understanding is different but the color stays the same
now how do i understand that the color itself is impermenant?
we know that we have different colors
the question is how does colors change?
and if they have true nature
can some one help me

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Re: perception?

Postby Gena1480 » Wed Jul 20, 2011 11:14 pm

now i uderstand that perception of color blue is always changing
we percieve blue because we learn that the color blue is called blue
but some one can learn that the color blue is called red
we know that the name is impermanent
can someone tell me how are the colors themself is impermenent?
we know that we have different colors
i know that color themself dont have true nature
some how color arises
if i can know how just one color arises
another question what is contact?

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Re: perception?

Postby Gena1480 » Thu Jul 21, 2011 12:20 am

we can understand that name color blue is impermanent
as someone may learn name color blue is name blue
and some one may learn color blue as name red
this way we can see that all names are impermanent
but the color blue itself is impermanent
as you all know we have different colors
i can understand that colors create shapes
if use equall understanding
then shapes create colors
how do we have different colors creating shapes
its the angle creates different shapes
now if we take one color blue light and depending of different angle(s)
we can see particle or wave
how does the from one color creates another color
do to intensity of the color, the color changes
another question is how do we put ceassation to intensity
without intensity there can not be color
or light
metta
hope some tells how to do this in meditation :)

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Re: perception?

Postby retrofuturist » Thu Jul 21, 2011 3:07 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine


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