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Help letting go

General discussion of issues related to Theravada Meditation, e.g. meditation postures, developing a regular sitting practice, skillfully relating to difficulties and hindrances, etc.
JackV
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Help letting go

Postby JackV » Sun May 27, 2012 11:13 am

Hello.

I just wondered if anyone had any useful tips or practical advice on letting go of thoughts and feelings etc. during meditation?

The reason I just ask is probably just because I'm going through one of those periods of unsettled midstates. Usually my ability to let go of something and return to my base object is alright, but during these times I find that I'm not noticing that I'm actually in another thought train and being beset by images and words and thoughts. Every time I notice this and attempt to let go simply results in my returning to the noisy meaningless rubbish of the mind.

I understand that there is probably nothing that can be done other than practicing to know this better and accept these times for what they are, and my aversion to them is diminishing, however I'm not fully there just yet ^_^
When I have spent the last 45mins vainly trying to clear aside layers of mental Flotsam and stay for a moment in the present it still does feel annoying.

Thanks
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Re: Help letting go

Postby Dan74 » Sun May 27, 2012 11:22 am

What I do at times like these is just let it be. Slowly equanimity naturally develops around these thoughts. It might take half an hour in the cushion. It might take an hour. It might not happen at all in the first sit. But gradually disengaging from feeding these thoughts and just letting them come and pass is a great learning experience that can be translated into the off-the-cushion life as well.

Then they gradually settle down. They are not you. They just have their momentum and once you stop feeding them, they will run out of energy and fade.

On the other hand, sometimes there are things that need looking after. It could be a matter of sila or some other responsibility, or psychological issue and they can press for attention for quite a while until they get a proper look.

Depends.

Just a few bits and bobs from my very limited experience.
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Re: Help letting go

Postby befriend » Sun May 27, 2012 11:40 am

practice some samatha technique that will stabilize the mind beforehand. or exercise beforehand. apparently after people exercise there meditations are incredibly more fruitful.
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Re: Help letting go

Postby hanzze_ » Sun May 27, 2012 12:18 pm

Have you ever tried just to label them when they come into mind? The go by them selves, while something different might come up (to your present sensitivity) and in between back on the main object.

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Re: Help letting go

Postby JackV » Sun May 27, 2012 2:50 pm

Here where a thousand
captains swore grand conquest
Tall grasses their monument.

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Re: Help letting go

Postby befriend » Sun May 27, 2012 3:05 pm

alright then count the breath up to ten. that is what is taught to stop daydreaming.
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Re: Help letting go

Postby marc108 » Sun May 27, 2012 8:07 pm

"It's easy for us to connect with what's wrong with us... and not so easy to feel into, or to allow us, to connect with what's right and what's good in us."

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Re: Help letting go

Postby JackV » Tue May 29, 2012 4:01 pm

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Re: Help letting go

Postby retrofuturist » Tue May 29, 2012 11:42 pm

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Re: Help letting go

Postby manas » Wed May 30, 2012 12:49 am

Hi Jack,

I've come to the humbling realization that training the mind needs to be done constantly, not just when we sit in meditation. If, throughout the day and amidst the manifold duties that Lay life requires of us, you can regularly 'check in' with the mind, and examine it, asking: "Where is my mind right now? Am I just with my current task, or are there other trains of thought taking place, also? Do I need to be thinking so much, whilst doing an ordinary task? Could I maybe just wash the dishes, focussing on just getting them done nicely, instead of letting my aversion to the mundaneness of this task make me daydream, not really here, nor really there either, but in a kind of dull stupor?" ...and so on. It's an acquired skill. But here's the good bit...I am finding that, the more I can train the mind in this way throughout daily life, the better is 'behaves' during sitting meditation. If throughout that day you kept placing awareness back into where you are, and on what you are doing, then ime sati-sampajanna has already been getting a decent 'warm-up' so that, when it does come time to sit, you are not having to drag the mind out from the mud of a dull restlessness, into the brightness of alertness all at once, but are already somewhat alert. The mind will do what it has been trained to do, imhe. But it's a long-term process, and not only consistent effort, but patience will be needed.

That's my current understanding of this issue, and my current challenge, also. Hope it adds something of value to the good advice already given.

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Re: Help letting go

Postby marc108 » Wed May 30, 2012 5:07 am

is whats coming up related to a specific thing or is it just random noise?
"It's easy for us to connect with what's wrong with us... and not so easy to feel into, or to allow us, to connect with what's right and what's good in us."

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Re: Help letting go

Postby JackV » Thu May 31, 2012 7:47 pm

Here where a thousand
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