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Svasamvedana

Postby Nicholas Weeks » Fri Sep 21, 2012 4:27 pm

Malcolm,

Is rang rig or rig pa the translation of this "self-awareness" term?
A bodhisattva does not become weary of evil beings nor does he commit the error of bringing forth thoughts inclined to reject them and cast them aside. Avatamsaka Sutra, ch. 25

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Re: Svasamvedana

Postby Malcolm » Fri Sep 21, 2012 4:35 pm





འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa

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Re: Svasamvedana

Postby Nicholas Weeks » Fri Sep 21, 2012 4:55 pm

A bodhisattva does not become weary of evil beings nor does he commit the error of bringing forth thoughts inclined to reject them and cast them aside. Avatamsaka Sutra, ch. 25

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Re: Svasamvedana

Postby Malcolm » Fri Sep 21, 2012 5:45 pm





འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa

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Re: Svasamvedana

Postby Nicholas Weeks » Fri Sep 21, 2012 7:09 pm

So Malcolm, this translation (and notes) of the Three Statements is pretty poor?

"faith in Self-Reflexive Awareness" for example?

http://www.dharmafellowship.org/library ... ements.htm
A bodhisattva does not become weary of evil beings nor does he commit the error of bringing forth thoughts inclined to reject them and cast them aside. Avatamsaka Sutra, ch. 25

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Re: Svasamvedana

Postby Nicholas Weeks » Sat Sep 22, 2012 12:51 am

A bodhisattva does not become weary of evil beings nor does he commit the error of bringing forth thoughts inclined to reject them and cast them aside. Avatamsaka Sutra, ch. 25

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Re: Svasamvedana

Postby Malcolm » Sat Sep 22, 2012 2:13 pm





འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa

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Re: Svasamvedana

Postby Yudron » Thu Sep 27, 2012 9:22 pm

Malcolm,

The rang syllable is an endless source of confusion for me. The Dzogchen masters themselves seem to gloss it as meaning "of itself" (or "naturally") sometimes, and then sometimes it refers to the one's own person. In general we beginners need to be aware of the genitive particle that is omitted in the contractions used in dzogchen texts (such as rang rig), and that may help us understand the usage?
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Re: Svasamvedana

Postby Malcolm » Thu Sep 27, 2012 9:45 pm





འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa

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Re: Svasamvedana

Postby Yudron » Thu Sep 27, 2012 10:04 pm

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Re: Svasamvedana

Postby Yontan » Mon Oct 22, 2012 6:30 am

Yudron, those two terms are great examples. We can see the difference here in taking "rang" as self, either metaphysically or personally, versus "on its own, auto."
"Auto-liberation" isn't very sexy, but it gets around the connotations of the word "self."
Even the term "personal" can get a bit too, uh... "person"-al if we look at it wrong.
I like Malcom's phrase: as a location.

This idea of svasamvedana, rang rig, and the arguments around its validity within Buddhist logic can easily confuse someone into conflating it with the similarly translated dzogchen term. It's a shame the Tibetans couldn't afford to import more words.

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Re: Svasamvedana

Postby Yudron » Mon Oct 22, 2012 8:58 pm

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