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PostPosted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 6:50 pm 
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Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche described in his book exercises with five chakras
Why does not have all the seven?
Where can I find a description of exercise with the other two chakras?

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Snowid wrote:
Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche described in his book exercises with five chakras
Why does not have all the seven?
Where can I find a description of exercise with the other two chakras?


IN general, five cakras is the Buddist/Bon system. Seven is the Hindu system.

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So if I'm working with the lowest chakra as described by TWR
this means that I'm working on the base chakra in the description of the Hindu?

Crown chakra in Bon
is equivalent of hindu crown chakra and the third eye ?

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fwiw, my experience working with chakras is that first and foremost, it's important to connect with your experience as much as possible. All the theory is meaningless otherwise. There are many theories about chakras... I would suggest that you do not try to equate them across chakra systems. Each is it's own phenomena and often comes out of one person's experience... thus find out for yourself what your experience is. Each system is oriented to a particular view and teaching and another reason to avoid comparison. Each can be appreciated for what it is. The same can be said of schools in Buddhism, or any other ism. To encounter something for itself is most precious.


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the lowest chakra is the secret chakra or the genitals, its green. the next is navel chakra, yellow. then heart, blue , throat, red, crown-third-eye, white. thats the buddhist system.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 21, 2013 4:46 am 
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Snowid wrote:
So if I'm working with the lowest chakra as described by TWR
this means that I'm working on the base chakra in the description of the Hindu?

Crown chakra in Bon
is equivalent of hindu crown chakra and the third eye ?


Not exactly

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So,what should I do if I want to clean up and strengthen my Muladhara?

I should do exercise as described TWR
but focus on the base chakra?

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Snovid,
I suggest you work on getting all the other chakras cleared and balanced before working on the base. Bon doesn't work with the kundalini, that is why there are no instructions for that chakra in the book... and messing with the base chakra without a proper teacher is dangerous. Are you taking the upcoming online course on Awakening the Sacred Body? If so, you can ask Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche questions directly.
There are scholarships available.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 22, 2013 12:25 pm 
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Ok,could You paste here some pics with chakras according to BOn?

I found something like this

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Anyone have more of these drawings of some term or other old manuscripts?

By the way,chakras are always displayed on the front
but does that mean they are on the land area of the skin?No.

How deep are they?
Where is their center in our body?
Does anyone have chakras pictures sideways?

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 22, 2013 12:45 pm 
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I want to relate my experience with chakras.

Several years ago, I did some practices from this book. I had kundalini awakening experiences right away and it was frightening. I quit after a paralyzing force pinned me down and in my mind, I imagined a blue thick beam of light entering my back at the heart chakra. One other thing happened before that: a sensation of being pulled up by a hook in my naval chakra. Fellow Dharma Wheeler Red Dust and I were recently having a conversation about her spontaneous kundalini awakening and when I did some Googling, I found that several people were trying to figure out how to deal with these "hook" sensations that could actually be quite painful and appeared to be constantly pulling energy out through the top of the head. One person speculated that they were karmic links when the idea popped in his head that these were "chains" and the kundalini was getting rid of them. NOW I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT and I'm certainly not saying that's what is happening. That was just one guy's belief about what he was experiencing. But, reading about these people trying to get this problem under control convinced me that the hook sensation I experienced was the beginning of something and I am glad I stopped when I did.

The other thing I want to mention is the book linked shows all the same kumbhaka holds to activiate the kundalini as in Namkhai Norbu's Yantra Yoga book, but the general theory or attitude behind the practice is completely different. And it uses the hindu 7-chakra system.

I have come to believe that since Namkhai Norbu's teaching is considered "safe" that perhaps, as with the bodhicitta intent in meditation, so too the conceptual underpinnings behind working with the chakras is what makes them much more safe to work with in Namkhai Norbu's teaching.

All of this is to say I think its not a good idea to try to mix and match systems thinking that because they work with chakras they will have the same result. Not that you were doing that, but I'm awake and thought I'd add my 2 cents.

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KonchokZoepa wrote:
the lowest chakra is the secret chakra or the genitals, its green. the next is navel chakra, yellow. then heart, blue , throat, red, crown-third-eye, white. thats the buddhist system.

I don't think a "Buddhist system" exists. But Buddhist systems, sure.

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I have this book
http://www.aurorapress.com/html/mantak_chia_2.html

about problems with spontaneous awakening of kundalini etc how to deal with them
a lot of useful information.

I was thinking about buying this book
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(You write about this

or this?)
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but without teacher,meaby I should not?

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I don't know but from what I have heard, I would be very cautious with Mantak Chia. I don't say that often.


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Do you have a teacher? You could write to Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche
http://www.ligmincha.org/en/contact-us.html

or to H.E. Yongdzin Tenzin Namdak Rinpoche

http://www.yungdrungbon-stiftung.de/EN/index.php/contact

Put his name in the subject line and they will forward it to him. Tell him what's happening and ask for help.
If Bon is your path, these are the two best contacts.

There is also a Bon sangha in Poland, who may be of more help than I can be.

http://new.ligmincha.pl/pl/

I have experience with kundalini awakening... the best thing to do is to find your teacher, find your lineage and come under it's protection with refuge. Then look at these other things, when you have a lineage and teacher to support you. :namaste:


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Snovid, a complete description of the 7 chakra system is detailed in this book "Kundalini Tantra" by Swami Satyananda Saraswati

http://www.barnesandnoble.com/listing/2 ... 1038800793


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Also i agree with the above recommendation from Lhasa, GWTRs online course on The Yogas of Breath & Movement, the 9 purification breaths ( a precise/rhythmic form of nadi shodhana) and TsaLung ( yogasana with precise pranayama), these practices work with the 5 chakra system of Bon & Nygma (dzogchen).
The chakras are explored in these practices!
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Kundalini Yoga:

http://www.dlshq.org/download/kundalini.htm

In regard to attempting Yantra Yoga on one's own:

viewtopic.php?f=48&t=13632#p177919

Even so^, learning even the public or open level of Yantra Yoga on one's own is not so easy, even with the DVD's.

If you do attempt to teach yourself the public/open level, then you'll definitely want to study both public Yantra Yoga books, and the two DVD's as well (however one of the public Yantra Yoga books has non-public Pranayamas in it).

Or as Lhasa said, for Geshe Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche's Tsa-Lung practices in Awakening the Sacred Body, etc. try contacting him in order to ask him questions about the possibility of learning them on one's own.


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