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The Work of Venerable Ñānavīra Thera

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Re: The Work of Venerable Ñānavīra Thera

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Re: The Work of Venerable Ñānavīra Thera

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Re: The Work of Venerable Ñānavīra Thera

Postby pulga » Mon Jan 30, 2012 12:03 am

Hello Brivat,

As I understand it there is a distinct and absolute difference between the positive (this) and the negatives (thats) – each "this" and each "that" (of a multitude of "thats") is particular on any given level of the hierarchy -- and inference shows that both are present at the same level of immediate experience. (This is what Ven. Ñanavira is at pains to explain in Letter 44.)

But I’ll give some thought to your posting, and will reply as soon as I can come up with an adequate response. I've noticed that there is now a link on the Path Press website directed to this Dhamma Wheel discussion heading. Perhaps someone will come along and clarify some of the sublties we've been discussing.

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Re: The Work of Venerable Ñānavīra Thera

Postby boris » Mon Jan 30, 2012 7:36 am

The man who wants to avoid grotesque collapses should not look for anything to fulfill him in space and time.

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Re: The Work of Venerable Ñānavīra Thera

Postby chownah » Mon Jan 30, 2012 7:58 am

Looking in a mirror can the eye see itself?
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Re: The Work of Venerable Ñānavīra Thera

Postby boris » Mon Jan 30, 2012 9:40 am

That is true only for lay persons since monks can not look at the mirror ;)
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Re: The Work of Venerable Ñānavīra Thera

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Re: The Work of Venerable Ñānavīra Thera

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Re: The Work of Venerable Ñānavīra Thera

Postby boris » Mon Jan 30, 2012 10:31 am

The man who wants to avoid grotesque collapses should not look for anything to fulfill him in space and time.

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Re: The Work of Venerable Ñānavīra Thera

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Re: The Work of Venerable Ñānavīra Thera

Postby boris » Mon Jan 30, 2012 11:59 am

Various spiritual practices base on asking the question who I am? I think it's interesting practice, of course as long we resist temptation to answer this question and not fall down into sakayaditti. ;)
But from our discussion arise another question: Where I am? I think specially about sekha who still has asmimana but does not identify himself with anything phenomenal …
It looks like I am sure that I am but not sure where I am. Sounds strange :)
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Re: The Work of Venerable Ñānavīra Thera

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Re: The Work of Venerable Ñānavīra Thera

Postby boris » Mon Jan 30, 2012 1:30 pm

You should rather ask: "If experience were confined to the use of single eye, would be possible to distinguish eye and forms as separate things?"
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Re: The Work of Venerable Ñānavīra Thera

Postby kirk5a » Mon Jan 30, 2012 1:57 pm

"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Re: The Work of Venerable Ñānavīra Thera

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Re: The Work of Venerable Ñānavīra Thera

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Re: The Work of Venerable Ñānavīra Thera

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Re: The Work of Venerable Ñānavīra Thera

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Re: The Work of Venerable Ñānavīra Thera

Postby chownah » Wed Feb 01, 2012 1:14 am

I have not been able to follow all of the discussion but am assuming that the concept of a visual field and the concept of it's positive and negative aspects are Nanavira's fabrications. If I am wrong then please let me know.

So....to better understan the work of Venerable Nanavira Thera....and specifically his concepts of visual field I'm wondering if the eye can see itself in a mirror. I'm also wondering if the images seen in a mirror are in the visual field in the position that they seem to have or are they actually in the visual field in the position of the "real object" which the mirror is "reflecting".....or what....I'm wondering about these things because I think that the answers will lead to a better understanding of the work of Nanavira.....

Also, I'm wondering about his "fundamental structure" ideas. The only reference I know of is too large for my Thai dial up connection to download in a reasonable length of time. Can someone strip out the portion containing the very beginning basic ideas and post it here? This is mostly idle curiousity on my part so no need if it requires more than minimal effort.
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