oushi wrote:futerko wrote: your claim was that by realising one was not responsible for one's thoughts, this thereby removed guilt, expectations, and suffering, but who is the one realising this?
The same one. Having no control, has nothing to do with it. Realization is not a free act of will. If it was, half of the planet would be awakened.futerko wrote:No one else said anything about it being difficult, painful, or harmfulMatt J wrote:It is easy to practice such a "book dharma"--- but unfortunately, practice is difficult and often painful.Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche wrote:When engaging in meditation practice, we should feel it to be as natural as eating, breathing and
I understand that defecating can be difficult and painful sometimes, but lets not make a rule out of it .futerko wrote:No, and that's because I am not teaching Dzogchen here, I am replying to the OP in terms that might make sense to them. If you think Longchenpa is appropriate reading in this case then say so.
Neither do I, although I quoted Longchenpa. I replied by showing direct teaching, which happens to be opposite to your reply. It is found all over the Buddhist world, and not only. Almost everyone posting in this topic tries to refute it, because it goes against the way they practice. Should I go with the mob, or be honest, and post what I think? And why do you so fiercely want to stop me from doing that?futerko wrote:I made no claim to know, but I have seen the consequences of your posts on this and other sites so no prediction is necessary
What are the consequences? How do you tell they are negative? Direct teaching is never welcome, and never been. Bodhidharma was insulted, Longchenpa had to keep his teaching secret, and Jesus was crucified for preaching it. The teaching is simple, but people are f*****. Especially those that invested their lives for doing something that goes against it. They say "I practice", "I made vows", "I keep precepts", "I must be right", not being aware that all those, if not applied correctly, create hellish karma. What worse, they try to enforce it on others, and you read about frustrated people that are not able to meditate regularly, or others that feels guilty for killing bacterias in the fridge.
I don't fiercely want to stop you, you are the one refuting other people's posts and appointing yourself as the "teacher". Maybe if people knew what you were doing then they might understand better.
I also didn't say the consequences were negative, but you seem to anticipate your methods as being unwelcome, and that's unsurprising given your attitude of "people are f*****."
Rarely do people totally agree, but your style seems to be "I am right, you are wrong" so that's bound to get a certain reaction.
If "Realization is not a free act of will", and indeed, you seem to be promoting a fatalistic viewpoint, then firstly, nothing I write will come as a surprise to you, and secondly, what are you hoping to change by posting? According to you, it seems that nothing anyone says or does will make any difference anyway.