Jyoti wrote:Saying 'mere appearance' is the position of ultimate truth, saying 'hand' is the position of conventional truth. If the ultimate truth is already realized by both party, then saying 'hand' will not be confused by the other as clinging to form and names as real.
Saying 'mere appearance' is not the position of ultimate truth.
It is just conventional truth.
Because anything that can be written down and anything that can be uttered is conventional truth.
Ultimate truth is the truth that make you mute.
Ultimate truth cannot be written down.
Ultimate truth cannot be uttered.
Ultimate truth cannot be typed.
So, when you say:
This hand exists. This is only conventional truth.
This hand doesn't exist. This is also just conventional truth.
Ultimate truth is unspoken as such and such.
Now, going back to the issue:
If you see your hand and you see that as appearance only.
At that instance, you should just see that as just appearance. If at that instance, you start to see that as appearance of hand, you should start to know your naked appearances have been distorted by this layer of concept called hand.
If you just see appearances, you will not see hand as hand.
At that instant, you should then realized that for someone who is not disturbed with any concept, he does not separate this appearance as such and such, EVEN AT CONVENTIONAL LEVEL.
It is at that state, you can see for yourself that hand, head, consciousness, 5 elements, are already the second layer of conventional term, which is already wrong and distorted. They are already as wrong as the rabbit horn.
If you can see that, you will see that 5 elements and consciousness is just a rabbit horn.
Appearances cannot be divided into 5 elements and consciousness, because appearances has no self.
It is then foolish to even believe that 5 elements and consciousness exist at conventional level. Because at conventional level, you already can see that appearances, which has no self, cannot be divided into this or that.
Yes, you divide. But, when you divide this appearances as this or that, you should at that instant fully aware of this mistaken conventional term. That is why for all conventional term can only be accepted in the false mode.
When you really want the true mode, you should know such thing doesn't exist even at conventional mode, because appearances has no definition by nature, it cannot be divided into this or that following our fantasy or our idea.
When you move to ultimate truth, you will mute. Why? Because even at conventional truth you see all conventional truth as just the rabbit horn. It makes you fully certain about this reality, that push you to be just mute, without any possible projections.
Consciousness is just a rabbit horn.
5 elements are also just a rabbit horn.
Foolish concept and a fantasy.
When you see your appearance of hand, if you can say this is hand in the true sense, you have been deluded.
Appearances are just appearances, and it is just seen as such.
When appearances are just perfectly seen as appearances without any projections:
There is no birth
There is no death
There is no ceasing
There is no arising
There is no 5 elements
There is no consciousness
There is no increment
There is no decrement
There is no ignorant
There is no emptiness
There is no appearances.
Whatever you can utter or can think is just no, because there are just rabbit horn.
ANd that is just conventional truth, because it can be uttered and typed down.