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Becoming a Buddhist

Postby msrellum » Tue Dec 06, 2011 6:36 pm

What is essential to becoming a Buddhist?
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Re: Becoming a Buddhist

Postby alwayson » Tue Dec 06, 2011 7:17 pm

Understand that to say an object is "empty" is synonymous with saying that thing is dependently originated. Furthermore that bundles of causes and conditions are designated by mere conceptual labels, which of course also applies to the causes and conditions themselves and even the principle of causality itself since everything is dependently originated (i.e. empty).
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Re: Becoming a Buddhist

Postby Paul » Tue Dec 06, 2011 7:33 pm

When we wish to become Buddhists formally, the first step is to go to the Triple Gem- the Buddha, Dharma and Sangha for refuge. It is an expression of one’s faith and determination in walking the Buddha’s path. Since the time of the Buddha, taking this Threefold Refuge has identified a person as a Buddhist.


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Re: Becoming a Buddhist

Postby catmoon » Tue Dec 06, 2011 7:55 pm

I think Paul has it right. You can leave emptiness doctrines for later, maybe quite a bit later. It's certainly not something that is normally presented to beginners. After refuge, the next thing to do is get an overview of Buddhist ethics. The Dalai Lama is a good source for this. He has also published works on establishing a practice.
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Re: Becoming a Buddhist

Postby Silent Bob » Tue Dec 06, 2011 8:00 pm

"All the sublime teachings, so profound--to throw away one and then grab yet another will not bear even a single fruit. Persevere, therefore, in simply one."
--Dudjom Rinpoche, "Nectar for the Hearts of Fortunate Disciples. Song No. 8"
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Re: Becoming a Buddhist

Postby ronnewmexico » Tue Dec 06, 2011 8:03 pm

Essential...compassion. Otherwise it all, all of it, be wasted.
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Re: Becoming a Buddhist

Postby tomamundsen » Sat Dec 24, 2011 9:17 pm

ronnewmexico wrote:Essential...compassion. Otherwise it all, all of it, be wasted.

^ This. Well, in the general case.

If you mean more literally "becoming a buddhist" then that would be what we call "taking refuge."
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Re: Becoming a Buddhist

Postby Tilopa » Sat Dec 24, 2011 9:56 pm

msrellum wrote:What is essential to becoming a Buddhist?

An understanding of the 4 Noble Truths and faith in the Triple Gem.
This is the minimum requirement.
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Re: Becoming a Buddhist

Postby Vipassualty » Sun Dec 25, 2011 4:50 am

What is essential to becoming a Buddhist?


Meditation supported by an understanding of the Noble Eightfold Path are likely the minimum auspicious requirements. http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/auth ... toend.html
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Re: Becoming a Buddhist

Postby Beatzen » Mon Jan 02, 2012 9:42 am

in my lineage there is a ceremony, or rite of passage, called jukai - the practitioner takes on 16 precepts.

but that's not essential, i suppose. I think that learning to relate to yourself intelligently and with sensitivity is essential. as jiddu krishnamurti, who was actually quite critical of buddhism, used to say: "life is relationship."
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Re: Becoming a Buddhist

Postby plwk » Mon Jan 02, 2012 4:17 pm

For starters, this and then this...
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Re: Becoming a Buddhist

Postby Distorted » Mon Jan 09, 2012 1:10 am

I would like to take refuge in the Triple gem though I do not think I can abstain from sex. My partner is supportive in the commitment to better myself for myself and others around me through the middle way. Though we already are in this relationship and sex is a part of it. Am I misunderstanding the fifth precept conditions? The third of the five precepts... do they mean sexual misconduct or sex in general? I know married buddhist couples must be having sex but she and I do not plan to be married but want to be with one another for a very long time. Is this still breaking the third precept of the five?
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Re: Becoming a Buddhist

Postby Acchantika » Mon Jan 09, 2012 2:13 am

Distorted wrote:I would like to take refuge in the Triple gem though I do not think I can abstain from sex. My partner is supportive in the commitment to better myself for myself and others around me through the middle way. Though we already are in this relationship and sex is a part of it. Am I misunderstanding the fifth precept conditions? The third of the five precepts... do they mean sexual misconduct or sex in general? I know married buddhist couples must be having sex but she and I do not plan to be married but want to be with one another for a very long time. Is this still breaking the third precept of the five?


No, you are not breaking the third precept. For a lay person it means:

    Abandoning misconduct in sexual desires, he becomes one who abstains from misconduct in sexual desires: he does not have intercourse with such women as are protected by mother, father, (father and mother), brother, sister, relatives, as have a husband, as entail a penalty, and also those that are garlanded in token of betrothal.

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .nymo.html

In other words, as long as it is not illegal, she isn't married/engaged to someone else, you both consent and no other consent is required, no worries.
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Re: Becoming a Buddhist

Postby Distorted » Mon Jan 09, 2012 2:25 am

Acchantika wrote:
Distorted wrote:I would like to take refuge in the Triple gem though I do not think I can abstain from sex. My partner is supportive in the commitment to better myself for myself and others around me through the middle way. Though we already are in this relationship and sex is a part of it. Am I misunderstanding the fifth precept conditions? The third of the five precepts... do they mean sexual misconduct or sex in general? I know married buddhist couples must be having sex but she and I do not plan to be married but want to be with one another for a very long time. Is this still breaking the third precept of the five?


No, you are not breaking the third precept. For a lay person it means:

    Abandoning misconduct in sexual desires, he becomes one who abstains from misconduct in sexual desires: he does not have intercourse with such women as are protected by mother, father, (father and mother), brother, sister, relatives, as have a husband, as entail a penalty, and also those that are garlanded in token of betrothal.

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .nymo.html

In other words, as long as it is not illegal, she isn't married/engaged to someone else, you both consent and no other consent is required, no worries.



Thank you :)
"Sona, before you became a monk you were a musician". Sona said that was true. So the Buddha said, "As a musician which string of the lute produces a pleasant and harmonious sound. The over-tight string?" "No," said Sona, "The over-tight string produces an unpleasant sound and is moreover likely to break at any moment." "The string that is too loose?" Again, "No, the string that is too loose does not produce a tuneful sound. The string that produces a tuneful sound is the string that is not too tight and not too loose."
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Re: Becoming a Buddhist

Postby Konchog1 » Mon Jan 09, 2012 6:34 am

The third vow does change to chastity when taking the Eight Precepts during Uposatha or retreat. The reason being that you should be practicing Buddhism, not became sex is sinful or dirty or anything like that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uposatha
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Re: Becoming a Buddhist

Postby Distorted » Mon Jan 09, 2012 7:30 am

Konchog1 wrote:The third vow does change to chastity when taking the Eight Precepts during Uposatha or retreat. The reason being that you should be practicing Buddhism, not became sex is sinful or dirty or anything like that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uposatha



Thank you guys for the clarification.
"Sona, before you became a monk you were a musician". Sona said that was true. So the Buddha said, "As a musician which string of the lute produces a pleasant and harmonious sound. The over-tight string?" "No," said Sona, "The over-tight string produces an unpleasant sound and is moreover likely to break at any moment." "The string that is too loose?" Again, "No, the string that is too loose does not produce a tuneful sound. The string that produces a tuneful sound is the string that is not too tight and not too loose."
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Re: Becoming a Buddhist

Postby Huifeng » Mon Jan 09, 2012 2:14 pm

msrellum wrote:What is essential to becoming a Buddhist?


Going to the three jewels - the Buddha, the Dharma and the Samgha - for refuge.
Many consider at least trying to uphold the five precepts as also part of the bare essentials.

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Re: Becoming a Buddhist

Postby Huifeng » Mon Jan 09, 2012 2:15 pm

Distorted wrote:I would like to take refuge in the Triple gem though I do not think I can abstain from sex. My partner is supportive in the commitment to better myself for myself and others around me through the middle way. Though we already are in this relationship and sex is a part of it. Am I misunderstanding the fifth precept conditions? The third of the five precepts... do they mean sexual misconduct or sex in general? I know married buddhist couples must be having sex but she and I do not plan to be married but want to be with one another for a very long time. Is this still breaking the third precept of the five?


Doesn't sound even close to breaking the third precept. :smile:

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Re: Becoming a Buddhist

Postby Distorted » Mon Jan 09, 2012 7:14 pm

Huifeng wrote:
Distorted wrote:I would like to take refuge in the Triple gem though I do not think I can abstain from sex. My partner is supportive in the commitment to better myself for myself and others around me through the middle way. Though we already are in this relationship and sex is a part of it. Am I misunderstanding the fifth precept conditions? The third of the five precepts... do they mean sexual misconduct or sex in general? I know married buddhist couples must be having sex but she and I do not plan to be married but want to be with one another for a very long time. Is this still breaking the third precept of the five?


Doesn't sound even close to breaking the third precept. :smile:

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Glad to hear it. :thumbsup:
"Sona, before you became a monk you were a musician". Sona said that was true. So the Buddha said, "As a musician which string of the lute produces a pleasant and harmonious sound. The over-tight string?" "No," said Sona, "The over-tight string produces an unpleasant sound and is moreover likely to break at any moment." "The string that is too loose?" Again, "No, the string that is too loose does not produce a tuneful sound. The string that produces a tuneful sound is the string that is not too tight and not too loose."
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Re: Becoming a Buddhist

Postby Blue Garuda » Mon Jan 09, 2012 7:45 pm

Distorted wrote:
Huifeng wrote:
Distorted wrote:I would like to take refuge in the Triple gem though I do not think I can abstain from sex. My partner is supportive in the commitment to better myself for myself and others around me through the middle way. Though we already are in this relationship and sex is a part of it. Am I misunderstanding the fifth precept conditions? The third of the five precepts... do they mean sexual misconduct or sex in general? I know married buddhist couples must be having sex but she and I do not plan to be married but want to be with one another for a very long time. Is this still breaking the third precept of the five?


Doesn't sound even close to breaking the third precept. :smile:

~~ Huifeng



Glad to hear it. :thumbsup:


I endorse that. As I understand it, the precept is there to avoid harm to others. There is no 'sin' attached to unmarried sex to worry about in Buddhism.
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