Konchog1 wrote:The Gelug view is one of risk. More freedom for Karmamudra likely would ruin the Vinaya (again), ruin the reputation of monks and Buddhism, and ruin people's practice (especially monks). If Karmamudra was needed more often, the policy would be different, but it isn't so it isn't
JKhedrup wrote:I am not certain.
As for Penor Rinpoche's and Dza Patrul Rinpoche's views being classified above as Gelugpaism, don't know how to respond. As many Kagyu or Nyingma lamas I mention with a conservative approach to this issue, will just be dismissed
JKhedrup wrote:I am workng from a handphone in India cut me some some slack.
Shabkar's bio touches on this, and Penor Rinpoche's views are widely googleable. Kongtrul touches on it in the treasury volume on the history of Buddhism.
JKhedrup wrote:That unqualified practice of the karmamudra teachings due to them being spread to freely causrd problems, similar to what those terrible Gelugpas say.
Why would karmamudra ruin the reputation of monks?
No one ever suggested monks engage in karmamudra in the first place.
You have to formally give your monkhood back before sex.
ConradTree wrote:Are you actually claiming a monk can engage in karmamudra?
That just rubbish.
And citing ChNN, when he says nothing on the subject, is trashing ChNN's good name.
smcj wrote:That is what I have been taught from my FPMT source.
ConradTree wrote:smcj wrote:That is what I have been taught from my FPMT source.
There is no such thing as monks being allowed to engage in karmamudra.
smcj wrote:Have you had specific teachings on the subject like me? If not, then it is you that does not know what they are talking about.
ConradTree wrote:smcj wrote:Have you had specific teachings on the subject like me? If not, then it is you that does not know what they are talking about.
Yes I have received specific teachings on this.
Please post the lama who told you that monks can engage in physical karmamudra. I will follow up with that lama.
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