conebeckham wrote:I think the topic of Dharma Protectors is huge, really....and probably not a good topic for public discussion. But we can say there are two basic levels of Dharma Protectors--mundane, and supramundane.
As for Supramundane Dharma Protectors, they not only protect the dharma, they also can protect the practitioner, from outer as well as inner obstacles...but they do more than that...they are, after all, fully enlightened Buddhas, and can function in all the ways a Buddha can...
Ngawang Drolma wrote:Oh I hope it's not a repeat!
I'm a bity shaky on the history, but I don't recall Mahakala needing to be bound. Maybe more akin to the position of Vajrapani?
Yeshe wrote:Ngawang Drolma wrote:Oh I hope it's not a repeat!
The same text appears twice in the OP.

conebeckham wrote:I'm a bity shaky on the history, but I don't recall Mahakala needing to be bound. Maybe more akin to the position of Vajrapani?
There are many different Mahakalas, but in general they are emanations.
For example, Mahakala ChagZhipa, Four-Armed form, is Chakrasamvara.
Mahakala Panjaranatha is Hevajra.
Mahakala Chagdrupa is Avalokiteshvara.
conebeckham wrote:I'm a bity shaky on the history, but I don't recall Mahakala needing to be bound. Maybe more akin to the position of Vajrapani?
There are many different Mahakalas, but in general they are emanations.
For example, Mahakala ChagZhipa, Four-Armed form, is Chakrasamvara.
Mahakala Panjaranatha is Hevajra.
Mahakala Chagdrupa is Avalokiteshvara.

Hhhhmmmmmmm! that is interesting! The question that arises in my mind is if one needs a yidam in order to "contact their dharmapala principle" then why does learning and practicing protector practices (normally) precede yidam practices?udawa wrote:Dharmapala means “guardian of the teaching.” The function of the dharmapala is to protect the practitioner from deception and sidetracks. If the practitioner ventures onto dangerous ground, unhealthy for his progress on the path, the dharmapala principle pulls him back violently. As the practitioner becomes more closely identified with the teaching, the energy of the dharmapalas begins to fall under his control. A student cannot, however, come in contact with his dharmapala principle until his guru has brought him into relationship with his yidam.
Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche, Visual Dharma 1975
Probably all that needs to be said.

Hhhhmmmmmmm! that is interesting! The question that arises in my mind is if one needs a yidam in order to "contact their dharmapala principle" then why does learning and practicing protector practices (normally) precede yidam practices?
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