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Re: Mahayana ultimative or relative?
Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:18 am
by Hanzze
Is it useful to seek for, or believe in a ultimate enlightenment a kind of ultimate being?
Re: Mahayana ultimative or relative?
Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:52 am
by ground
It is useful to practice and reduce or (even better) eliminate papanca ("monkey mind").
Kind regards
Re: Mahayana ultimative or relative?
Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 9:36 am
by retrofuturist
Greetings,
TMingyur wrote:It is useful to practice and reduce or (even better) eliminate papanca ("monkey mind").
Maitri,
Retro.
Re: Mahayana ultimative or relative?
Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 11:03 am
by Sherab
Is anyone advocating a completely blank mind? If not, what does eliminating papanca lead to? If the answer is insight, how does eliminating papanca leads to insight?
Re: Mahayana ultimative or relative?
Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 12:56 pm
by Jnana
Sherab wrote:If not, what does eliminating papanca lead to? If the answer is insight, how does eliminating papanca leads to insight?
Insight (vipaśyanā) results in freedom from conceptual proliferation (niṣprapañca). This freedom from conceptual proliferation is noble gnosis (āryajñāna) which is devoid of apperception (saṃjñā) of existence or nonexistence (bhāvābhāva).
All the best,
Geoff
Re: Mahayana ultimative or relative?
Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:38 pm
by Hanzze
Is there a point where we can see the different between papanca and insight? In a relative or ultimate way?
Re: Mahayana ultimative or relative?
Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 10:45 pm
by Jnana
Hanzze wrote:Is there a point where we can see the different between papanca and insight? In a relative or ultimate way?
All differentiation of phenomena is relative. The entire path is relative. No phenomenon is ultimately established. Realizing this results in freedom from conceptual proliferation (niṣprapañca).
All the best,
Geoff