Mahayana ultimative or relative?

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Re: Mahayana ultimative or relative?

Postby Hanzze » Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:18 am

Is it useful to seek for, or believe in a ultimate enlightenment a kind of ultimate being?
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Re: Mahayana ultimative or relative?

Postby ground » Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:52 am

It is useful to practice and reduce or (even better) eliminate papanca ("monkey mind").


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Re: Mahayana ultimative or relative?

Postby retrofuturist » Tue Feb 15, 2011 9:36 am

Greetings,

TMingyur wrote:It is useful to practice and reduce or (even better) eliminate papanca ("monkey mind").


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Re: Mahayana ultimative or relative?

Postby Sherab » Tue Feb 15, 2011 11:03 am

Is anyone advocating a completely blank mind? If not, what does eliminating papanca lead to? If the answer is insight, how does eliminating papanca leads to insight?

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Re: Mahayana ultimative or relative?

Postby Jnana » Tue Feb 15, 2011 12:56 pm

Sherab wrote:If not, what does eliminating papanca lead to? If the answer is insight, how does eliminating papanca leads to insight?

Insight (vipaśyanā) results in freedom from conceptual proliferation (niṣprapañca). This freedom from conceptual proliferation is noble gnosis (āryajñāna) which is devoid of apperception (saṃjñā) of existence or nonexistence (bhāvābhāva).

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Re: Mahayana ultimative or relative?

Postby Hanzze » Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:38 pm

Is there a point where we can see the different between papanca and insight? In a relative or ultimate way?
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Re: Mahayana ultimative or relative?

Postby Jnana » Tue Feb 15, 2011 10:45 pm

Hanzze wrote:Is there a point where we can see the different between papanca and insight? In a relative or ultimate way?

All differentiation of phenomena is relative. The entire path is relative. No phenomenon is ultimately established. Realizing this results in freedom from conceptual proliferation (niṣprapañca).

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