Who is the Buddha?

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Who is the Buddha?

Postby kresh » Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:11 pm

alright so I checked out a book on Buddhist parables and riddles and it's a great book but there is one part that I just am so confused about... here it is:

Who is the Buddha? What is the Buddha? Here are some of the answers given by various masters to this question:
Something of clay, with a gold-leaf
The one there in the hall.
He isn't Buddha.
The mountains are traveling over the sea.
Look at that three-legged donkey.
Dry shit
The mouth is the gateway of woe.
The best artist doesn't know how to paint him.
The bamboo grove out in back.

Dry shit

I meditated on this a bit and got nowhere.... Any ideas?
I can understand the meaning in all but Dry shit
I am so confused
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Re: Who is the Buddha?

Postby odysseus » Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:25 pm

Hi, a question with a million answers coming.

Buddha is an enlightened being pointing the way to Nirvana.
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Re: Who is the Buddha?

Postby Nosta » Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:26 pm

Maybe the idea is exactly that: force the reader to think about what is Buddha by throwing the idea that he His "Dry Shit". That looks like a Zen thing.
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Re: Who is the Buddha?

Postby odysseus » Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:29 pm

Nosta wrote:"Dry Shit". That looks like a Zen thing.


A bit irreverent - not Zen, man.
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Re: Who is the Buddha?

Postby reddust » Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:33 pm

Maybe the questions are made to tire your mind out so it becomes still. I grew up with horses. Training a tame horse that had never been ridden we would first get them used to a bit and saddle. After they were cool with the riding gear one of us would jump on the horse and let it go, usually for a couple bucking routines and a long run. The horse would tire out and that's when training would begin. Training methods for a wild, abused, or head shy horse are different, same with the methods our teachers give us depending on our conditioning.

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Re: Who is the Buddha?

Postby odysseus » Thu Mar 27, 2014 7:07 pm

Well, any view may be transformed into realization. Not condemning angry people, just reinforcing my conviction. :|
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Re: Who is the Buddha?

Postby bob » Thu Mar 27, 2014 7:29 pm

kresh wrote:Dry shit

I meditated on this a bit and got nowhere.... Any ideas?
I can understand the meaning in all but Dry shit
I am so confused



WHERE IS TAO?

Master Tung Kwo asked Chuang:
"Show me where the Tao is found."

Chuang Tzu replied:
"There is nowhere it is not to be found."

The former insisted:
"Show me at least some definite place
where Tao is found."

"It is in the ant." said Chuang.

"Is it in some lesser being?"

"It is in the weeds."

"Can you go further down the scale of things?"

"It is in this piece of tile."

"Further?"

"It is in this turd."

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PART II, Book XXII, 6

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Re: Who is the Buddha?

Postby Sherab Dorje » Thu Mar 27, 2014 7:43 pm

Dried shit is pretty handy stuff. Makes plants grow really well.
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One will be like a blind man who has no eyes."
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Re: Who is the Buddha?

Postby Seishin » Thu Mar 27, 2014 9:18 pm

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Re: Who is the Buddha?

Postby Alfredo » Thu Mar 27, 2014 11:58 pm

Anybody read Cloud Atlas? "A dead man and a living ideal."
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Re: Who is the Buddha?

Postby Roneen » Fri Mar 28, 2014 1:03 am

“The true man without rank—what kind of dried piece of shit is he!” -(Línjì yü lu III:129)
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Re: Who is the Buddha?

Postby KeithBC » Fri Mar 28, 2014 3:19 am

That is Zen stuff. Nothing against Zen, but trying to understand¸it is a mistake. The best you can do is to try to understand why the person answered that way. But Zen is not something that can be explained.

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Re: Who is the Buddha?

Postby oushi » Fri Mar 28, 2014 12:18 pm

kresh wrote:I can understand the meaning in all but Dry shit
I am so confused

Sit, calm down, relax and ask this question. Wait for the answer. If the answer pops out, disregard it and ask the question again. Repeat until you are fully satisfied with the answer. Warning, weird things may start happening after awhile.
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Re: Who is the Buddha?

Postby LastLegend » Fri Mar 28, 2014 4:47 pm

You should not have asked for an answer in the first place.
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Re: Who is the Buddha?

Postby garudha » Fri Mar 28, 2014 4:58 pm

kresh wrote:
Who is the Buddha? What is the Buddha?


Buddha is a Sanskrit word that means "awakened one."
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Re: Who is the Buddha?

Postby reddust » Fri Mar 28, 2014 5:59 pm

Repeatedly placing the mind on object of meditation is the key to the riddle :tongue:
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Re: Who is the Buddha?

Postby seeker242 » Sat Mar 29, 2014 12:22 am

This is a zen koan. Case 21 of the The Gateless Gate or Mumnonkan.

UMMON'S DRIED DUNG

A monk asked Ummon, "What is Buddha?" Ummon answered, "A dried stick of dung."

Mumon's Comments:
We must say that being so poor, Ummon cannot appreciate plain food, or he is so busy that he cannot even scribble properly. He is disposed to support his school with dry dung. Look at how devastated the Buddhist teaching has been!

Lightning flashes,
Sparks of striking flint.
In a blink of your eyes,
You have passed by (and missed it).


Stuff like "dried shit" is the reason why Zen is called "a special transmission outside the scriptures, not founded upon words and letters. By pointing directly to one's mind, It lets one see into one's own true nature and thus attain buddhahood." Ummon is pointing at something, but the problem is that something just can't be expressed with "words and letters". The teachers teach that the way to understand such statements is to put your mind in a place that is before or beyond "words and language" (AKA, thoughts, concepts, ideas, etc.) and then understanding it becomes clear. (AKA " lets one see into one's own true nature") And the proper contemplation of a koan does just that. Although, many recommend that koan contemplation be done with an actual teacher that teaches koan style practice.

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Re: Who is the Buddha?

Postby Alfredo » Sat Mar 29, 2014 1:16 am

Remind me not to ask you guys who Muhammad is!
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Re: Who is the Buddha?

Postby Aemilius » Sat Mar 29, 2014 10:21 am

kresh wrote:Dry shit
I meditated on this a bit and got nowhere.... Any ideas?
I can understand the meaning in all but Dry shit
I am so confused


Your body, and similarly a Buddha's body, is composed of the matter that You digest, (plus the matter that You drink and that You breathe in).
It is the same matter that is discharged form Your body.
Normally You think that Your body is "You", why not also what Your body discharges daily?
Why would it not be You?!
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Re: Who is the Buddha?

Postby Osho » Sat Mar 29, 2014 3:05 pm

"Why would it not be you?"

Cos it's 'poo'.

Hope that helps.

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