odysseus wrote: Gwenn Dana wrote:
Malcolm wrote:The classical division in Buddhadharma is that there is sentient life and non-sentient life. In some higher Dzogchen texts, it is suggested that even a division of sentient vs. non-sentient is merely conventional and not actual, not to be believed.
Thank you. Models apparently are not always as unanimous as one might think, even in a similar context.
Sure, but this does´t mean that plants etc. are sentient. It means that there is no duality between sentience and non-sentience as one realizes emptiness.
You say a plant is not sentient, but that's only from a fixed point of view, or, the perspective of non-sentience is assumed from any given position in time & space.
From another point of view (and necessarily a non-dual Dzogchen one); the plant is animated as much as anything else in the universe.
Obviously the plant can't think for itself, it's just following the inherent laws of manifested phenomena.
However; considering that all manifested phenomena is said to exist in Mind, we could say the plant is an expression of universal Mind.
What about the clouds and the rain? They too are following the inherent laws of manifested phenomena, aren't they?
When we take a look; we see that everything is following the rules. Scientists, as much as they try, can't yet beat these rules.
It is said that Buddha Shakyamuni escaped from Samsara, yet, he still existed as phenomena in the world for the rest of his life.
It is also said that Buddha Shakyamuni would not be reborn. He had achieved death. How? He had removed himself from bodhi causality.
Finally, and in keeping with the above, it is said that a Buddha is self-born as a lotus-flower.
no duality between sentience and non-sentience as one realizes emptiness
It could be argued that this realization is not one to be "seen" (seeing emptiness in
samsara) but one to be "known" from understanding bodhi causality.
@garudha: When you cut my body open, where do I be?
I heard, if someone doesn't know where they're going then they'll easily get there.