Anatta experience ?
Anatta experience ?
Hello everyone. I'm practicing meditation regularly lately, and I've been having an experience, which I''ll try to explain through a "funny" picture that is in the internet:
First look at this duck:
and then to this picture:
Now look at the duck again.
Now aply this reasoning with every object that you sense and you will get what I'm experiencing.Also, now talking about vision, there seems to be a lack of spacial perspective sometimes, like things are not three-dimensional but just "stamped". Did anyone here ever had a similar experience?
First look at this duck:
and then to this picture:
Now look at the duck again.
Now aply this reasoning with every object that you sense and you will get what I'm experiencing.Also, now talking about vision, there seems to be a lack of spacial perspective sometimes, like things are not three-dimensional but just "stamped". Did anyone here ever had a similar experience?
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Oh yeah, and the implications are huge.
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When I first experience anatta about a year ago, I thought I was having a derealization episode. How did you have yours?
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What exactly does pattern recognition have to do with anatta?
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The break of conceptual perception has something to do with anatta as I see it. I actually made a question about this experience to Venerable Yuttadhammo in this video at 9:47Qing Tian wrote:What exactly does pattern recognition have to do with anatta?
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Hmm, I didn't feel like I was having a derealization episode, I don't remember the first time I had, but I think it started happening with faces. I just recently had the "spacial perspective death" episode, the first time it happened I was looking to the corner of a building, it looked just like two distorted rectangles, it didn't seem 3D at all.flowerbudh wrote:When I first experience anatta about a year ago, I thought I was having a derealization episode. How did you have yours?
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Look up these terms:
Pareidolia
Apophenia
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Pareidolia
Apophenia
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EMPTIFUL.
An inward outlook produces outward insight.
An inward outlook produces outward insight.
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PadmaVonSamba wrote:Look up these terms:
Pareidolia
Apophenia
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Yes, I'm familiar with these terms, it is common in pareidolia to see faces in some place where there is no face, but in this case it was the opposite, sometimes there was a face and I just saw a bunch of unrelated objects.PadmaVonSamba wrote:Look up these terms:
Pareidolia
Apophenia
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Realising that there is no self means simply the recognition of the lack of a substantial being. In fact, there never has been any self anywhere, it is only an idea, a feeling that there is a self. There is no self in any sensory experience, or even in our thoughts and emotions. So, to experience no self does not mean a new experience, it is the recognition that there has never been any being/actor/thinker/feeler/perceiver as all there is is experience (five aggregates, six sense gates) and all experience is impermanent (etc.). But it's the same experience as always. The difference lies in the wisdom of seeing them for what they actually are.
1 Myriad dharmas are only mind.
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?
2 If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.
3 Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.
4 With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.
1 Huangbo, T2012Ap381c1 2 Nirvana Sutra, T374p521b3; tr. Yamamoto 3 Mazu, X1321p3b23; tr. J. Jia 4 Yongjia, T2014p395c14; tr. from "The Sword of Wisdom"
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?
2 If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.
3 Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.
4 With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.
1 Huangbo, T2012Ap381c1 2 Nirvana Sutra, T374p521b3; tr. Yamamoto 3 Mazu, X1321p3b23; tr. J. Jia 4 Yongjia, T2014p395c14; tr. from "The Sword of Wisdom"
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Who saw them?Panegalli wrote: ...sometimes there was a face and I just saw a bunch of unrelated objects.
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I think this is quite common. It is among many artists I know, and in some art classes you are trained to see this way.Panegalli wrote:Yes, I'm familiar with these terms, it is common in pareidolia to see faces in some place where there is no face, but in this case it was the opposite, sometimes there was a face and I just saw a bunch of unrelated objects.PadmaVonSamba wrote:Look up these terms:
Pareidolia
Apophenia
.
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.
After teaching English as a second language for many years, I now have a similar experience with hearing,
where I break down what people say into distinct, separate syllables
and this sometimes makes it hard for me to understand what people are saying.
I can't cite a specific occurrence of this,
but its like if you say "Definitely"
I might hear it as "deaf in Italy".
Rowling uses this word breakdown in Some of the Harry Potter stories.
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EMPTIFUL.
An inward outlook produces outward insight.
An inward outlook produces outward insight.
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I think he gives a good answer. It's not insight into anatta but the "breaking things down into component parts" is what can lead to insight into anatta. If that "breaking things down into component parts" can be applied to what is called "your self". However, breaking a duck down into component parts I personally don't see as being all that useful because ducks don't have anything to do with anatta. They're just ducks!Panegalli wrote:The break of conceptual perception has something to do with anatta as I see it. I actually made a question about this experience to Venerable Yuttadhammo in this video at 9:47Qing Tian wrote:What exactly does pattern recognition have to do with anatta?
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This happens to yogis. Mila saw vaginas on boulders. Yeshe Tsogyal saw penises around her cave. I noticed everything is like this
This is part of the nidana of fabrications in the pratichasamupada. When you see that perceptions are based on the heaps, then you quickly gain the four arahat paths.
This is part of the nidana of fabrications in the pratichasamupada. When you see that perceptions are based on the heaps, then you quickly gain the four arahat paths.