Anatta experience ?

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Anatta experience ?

Postby Panegalli » Sat Nov 30, 2013 6:47 pm

Hello everyone. I'm practicing meditation regularly lately, and I've been having an experience, which I''ll try to explain through a "funny" picture that is in the internet:



First look at this duck:

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and then to this picture:


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Now look at the duck again.


Now aply this reasoning with every object that you sense and you will get what I'm experiencing.Also, now talking about vision, there seems to be a lack of spacial perspective sometimes, like things are not three-dimensional but just "stamped". Did anyone here ever had a similar experience?
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Re: Anatta experience ?

Postby dude » Sat Nov 30, 2013 7:24 pm

Oh yeah, and the implications are huge.
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Re: Anatta experience ?

Postby flowerbudh » Mon Dec 02, 2013 12:07 am

When I first experience anatta about a year ago, I thought I was having a derealization episode. How did you have yours?
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Re: Anatta experience ?

Postby Qing Tian » Mon Dec 02, 2013 12:36 am

What exactly does pattern recognition have to do with anatta? :thinking:
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Re: Anatta experience ?

Postby Panegalli » Mon Dec 02, 2013 2:39 am

Qing Tian wrote:What exactly does pattern recognition have to do with anatta? :thinking:


The break of conceptual perception has something to do with anatta as I see it. I actually made a question about this experience to Venerable Yuttadhammo in this video at 9:47


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Re: Anatta experience ?

Postby Panegalli » Mon Dec 02, 2013 2:48 am

flowerbudh wrote:When I first experience anatta about a year ago, I thought I was having a derealization episode. How did you have yours?


Hmm, I didn't feel like I was having a derealization episode, I don't remember the first time I had, but I think it started happening with faces. I just recently had the "spacial perspective death" episode, the first time it happened I was looking to the corner of a building, it looked just like two distorted rectangles, it didn't seem 3D at all.
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Re: Anatta experience ?

Postby PadmaVonSamba » Mon Dec 02, 2013 3:20 am

Look up these terms:
Pareidolia
Apophenia
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The Chinese characters are Fo (buddha) and Ming (bright). The image is of a student of Buddhism, who, imagining himself to be a monk, and not understanding the true meaning of the words takes the sound of the words literally. Likewise, People on web forums sometime seem to be foaming at the mouth.
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Re: Anatta experience ?

Postby futerko » Mon Dec 02, 2013 3:38 am

PadmaVonSamba wrote:Look up these terms:
Pareidolia
Apophenia
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Re: Anatta experience ?

Postby Panegalli » Tue Dec 03, 2013 11:44 am

PadmaVonSamba wrote:Look up these terms:
Pareidolia
Apophenia
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Yes, I'm familiar with these terms, it is common in pareidolia to see faces in some place where there is no face, but in this case it was the opposite, sometimes there was a face and I just saw a bunch of unrelated objects.
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Re: Anatta experience ?

Postby Astus » Tue Dec 03, 2013 4:02 pm

Realising that there is no self means simply the recognition of the lack of a substantial being. In fact, there never has been any self anywhere, it is only an idea, a feeling that there is a self. There is no self in any sensory experience, or even in our thoughts and emotions. So, to experience no self does not mean a new experience, it is the recognition that there has never been any being/actor/thinker/feeler/perceiver as all there is is experience (five aggregates, six sense gates) and all experience is impermanent (etc.). But it's the same experience as always. The difference lies in the wisdom of seeing them for what they actually are.
"There is no such thing as the real mind. Ridding yourself of delusion: that's the real mind."
(Sheng-yen: Getting the Buddha Mind, p 73)

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(Mazu Daoyi, X1321p3b23; tr. Jinhua Jia)

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Does marvelous nature and spirit
Need tempering or refinement?
Mind is this mind carefree;
This face, the face at birth."

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Re: Anatta experience ?

Postby futerko » Tue Dec 03, 2013 4:21 pm

Panegalli wrote: ...sometimes there was a face and I just saw a bunch of unrelated objects.


Who saw them? :tongue:
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Re: Anatta experience ?

Postby PadmaVonSamba » Tue Dec 03, 2013 9:30 pm

Panegalli wrote:
PadmaVonSamba wrote:Look up these terms:
Pareidolia
Apophenia
.
.
.


Yes, I'm familiar with these terms, it is common in pareidolia to see faces in some place where there is no face, but in this case it was the opposite, sometimes there was a face and I just saw a bunch of unrelated objects.


I think this is quite common. It is among many artists I know, and in some art classes you are trained to see this way.
After teaching English as a second language for many years, I now have a similar experience with hearing,
where I break down what people say into distinct, separate syllables
and this sometimes makes it hard for me to understand what people are saying.
I can't cite a specific occurrence of this,
but its like if you say "Definitely"
I might hear it as "deaf in Italy".

Rowling uses this word breakdown in Some of the Harry Potter stories.
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Re: Anatta experience ?

Postby seeker242 » Wed Dec 04, 2013 1:03 am

Panegalli wrote:
Qing Tian wrote:What exactly does pattern recognition have to do with anatta? :thinking:


The break of conceptual perception has something to do with anatta as I see it. I actually made a question about this experience to Venerable Yuttadhammo in this video at 9:47


I think he gives a good answer. :) It's not insight into anatta but the "breaking things down into component parts" is what can lead to insight into anatta. If that "breaking things down into component parts" can be applied to what is called "your self". However, breaking a duck down into component parts I personally don't see as being all that useful because ducks don't have anything to do with anatta. They're just ducks! :D
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Re: Anatta experience ?

Postby invisiblediamond » Wed Dec 04, 2013 1:14 am

This happens to yogis. Mila saw vaginas on boulders. Yeshe Tsogyal saw penises around her cave. I noticed everything is like this

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This is part of the nidana of fabrications in the pratichasamupada. When you see that perceptions are based on the heaps, then you quickly gain the four arahat paths.
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