As for "you create your own reality," well, if Buddhist karma were true, then it would be possible to interpret the world as something which originates in the mind of each perceiver
Sherab Dorje wrote:Cittamatrin Buddhism teaches exactly "this".PadmaVonSamba wrote:...and is not what Buddhism teaches.
Alfredo wrote:The basic conceit behind karma is not merely that causality exists, but that it has an ethical dimension. That is, (morally) "good" actions must have "good" results, while "bad" actions...you get the idea. This is held out as evidence of reincarnation, since otherwise the wicked might prosper, people might suffer unjustly, etc. I see all this as something like a category mistake.
PadmaVonSamba wrote:The good causes leading to good results and the bad causes leading to bad results have nothing to do with this kind of observation of outwardly occurring phenomena. Rather, it is very internal. (To give a very simple example), a person who is greedy or stingy will always feel somewhat impoverished, meaning that he or she will never be satisfied that they have enough, even though he or she might be a millionaire. Conversely, a person who has very little, but is happy to share what he or she has with someone, will always feel that, despite their outward situation, regardless of how much money they actually have in their pocket, they will not feel needy. Even if they are hungry, they will not feel the suffering of the millionaire who has everything, stuffs his belly with food, and yet is constantly unsatisfied.
So, you see, it is very psychological. It is a reality created in the mind.
Karma occurs in the mind.
Sherab Dorje wrote:Source please.dude wrote:"Thought gives rise to action, repeated action hardens into character, and character becomes destiny."
1. Mind precedes all mental states. Mind is their chief; they are all mind-wrought. If with an impure mind a person speaks or acts suffering follows him like the wheel that follows the foot of the ox.
2. Mind precedes all mental states. Mind is their chief; they are all mind-wrought. If with a pure mind a person speaks or acts happiness follows him like his never-departing shadow.
Alfredo wrote:Anyway, for all we know, maybe we live in that world. The major argument against it is...authoritative testimony, which Buddhists apparently reject as a valid pramana.
Alfredo wrote:The quote is Greek.
Wow. I thought I was the skeptical one, but here a whole bunch of people are interpreting "karma" to mean something like a Christian conscience!
The good causes leading to good results and the bad causes leading to bad results have nothing to do with this kind of observation of outwardly occurring phenomena. Rather, it is very internal. (To give a very simple example), a person who is greedy or stingy will always feel somewhat impoverished, meaning that he or she will never be satisfied that they have enough, even though he or she might be a millionaire.
I think it's too easy to think of karma like a form of divine retribution or simple causation, which I don't think it is at all. I believe karma is our habitual tendencies, which are easy to see, and also relates to our deeper impulses which we are usually unconscious of, but these are also visible to us in meditative states.
Alfredo wrote:So if torturing babies could reduce your karma (and you knew it would reduce your karma), you'd torture babies? Or better yet, in that case, you'd consider torturing babies to be fine Buddhist practice?
Alfredo wrote:I had a funny thought. In the comics and bad sci-fi, there is often a "mirror universe" in which good is evil and evil is good.
Nietzsche indeed demonstrated (clearly enough for those with the wherewithal to acknowledge it) that evil is generally good and good generally evil from the point of view of ordinary reality, so regardless of whether or not you're "trolling" (and whether or not you're seriously suggesting that evil is good), you do have a point that demands to be addressed. However, Buddhism shares in common with other Indo-European religions the aim of 'transcending' that reality somehow.Alfredo wrote:Suppose it turns out that our universe IS the evil universe, and that anti-karma is true.
Alfredo wrote:Not the same line of reasoning. I want to know if your Buddhist practice is really motivated by naked self-interest, and if some dubious metaphysics is all that restrains you from rapine and bloody murder.
Alfredo wrote: Oh, one more thing about anti-karma (from the mirror universe, where good deeds are punished and bad ones rewarded). Suppose it turns out that our universe IS the evil universe, and that anti-karma is true. In that case, would the correct Buddhist response be to deliberately commit evil, since this is what leads us to liberation?
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