asunthatneversets wrote: Son of Buddha wrote:
That looks like a quote from the Lankavatara.
First off that text never says Tathagatagrabha is skillfull means.
Second “Mahamati, my teaching of Tathāgatagarbha is not equivalent with the assertion of the Self of the non-Buddhists. Mahamati, the Tathāgata
The quote is seperating the idea of a substastial Self such as "the size of a thumb size of a mustard seed non buddhist idea of self from the tathagtagrabha(true self)
Third the rest of the quote is in reference to newly converted Buddhists,who still had wrong views of what the self was so Tathagatagarbha is redefined as to not confuse those new converts.
Fourth your translation from about half way down looks entirely mistranslated and doesn"t even make since nor does it compare or line up with Suzuki or Red pines translations.
As far as Buddha Nature being a definite teaching read the Dharma Drum Sutra and Nirvana Sutra.
It is a skillful means:Thus spoke Samantabhadra: "The ālaya is a state that is like the vast general ground of all samsara and nirvana having fallen asleep and not being awake to the sense objects. However, even during the five unconscious states, mind itself and mind, which have the nature of support and supported, remain latently present. In the lower vehicles this [ālaya] is taught as the buddha nature for the sake of temporarily guiding the immature ones who are eaten by doubts regarding the stainless true condition."
- Jigme Lingpa
Nope the Buddha Nature is actually the highest teaching,also if you read the ACTUAL Lankavatara sutra for which you posted a mistranslation you will the context of the conversation is in reference to NEW buddhist converts who dont know anything about the Dharma,so the Tathagatagarbha(true self) is redefined so to not confuse them into thinking iys the same self as the non buddhists
Chapter 6 of the Lankavatara Sutra and for Queen Srimala to whom the Buddha's spiritual power was added, the [pure] realm of Tathagatahood was expounded. This does not belong to the realm of speculation as it is carried on by the Sravakas, Pratyekabuddhas, and other philosophers, except, Mahamati, that this realm of Tathagatahood which is the realm of the Tathagata-garbha-alayavijnana is meant for those Bodhisattva-Mahasattvas who like you are endowed with subtle, fine, penetrating thought-power and whose understanding is in accordance with the meaning; and it is not for others, such as philosophers, Sravakas, and Pratyekabuddhas, who are attached to the letters of the canonical texts. For this reason, Mahamati, let you and other Bodhisattva-Mahasattvas discipline yourselves in the realm of Tathagatahood, in the understanding of this Tathagata-garbha-alayavijnana, so that you may not rest contented with mere learning.