Sherab wrote:Malcolm wrote:Sherab wrote:I thought liberation is due to wisdom
No, liberation is due to the eradication of afflictions.
I am not sure what you mean by "wisdom". So you mean omniscience? Or do you mean prajñā?
If the former, omniscience is not required for liberation.
If the latter, the prajñā that eradicates the afflictions is exactly the same in an arhat and a buddha.
Okay, let me try again and see if I can make my trend of thought a little clearer.
I was thinking along the line that the liberation of an arhat is liberation from the 12 links of dependent origination. This is done when any link is cut. That cutting is due to a certain wisdom realized.
Since the wisdom of a buddha is far greater than the wisdom of an arhat, there must be a difference in the realization of a buddha compared to an arhat.
This implies that the wisdom realized by a buddha goes further than just cutting the 12 links of dependent origination. It is the difference in knowledge/wisdom of a buddha compared to an arhat that allows the buddha to perform greater 'miraculous' feats than an arhat. So I thought that the difference would come from the buddha having knowledge of all dependencies and not just those of the 12 links of DO. Via the buddha's knowledge/wisdom of all dependencies, the liberation of the buddha is liberation from all dependencies, in contrast to the liberation of an arhat which is only a liberation from the 12 links of DO.
Sherab wrote: If liberation means to be free from dependencies, then liberation is non-existence since any form of existence requires dependencies.
Aggi-Vachagotta Sutta wrote:Deep, Vaccha, is this phenomenon, hard to see, hard to realize, tranquil, refined, beyond the scope of conjecture, subtle, to-be-experienced by the wise.
...any physical form by which one describing the Tathagata would describe him: That the Tathagata has abandoned, its root destroyed, made like a palmyra stump, deprived of the conditions of development, not destined for future arising. Freed from the classification of form, Vaccha, the Tathagata is deep, boundless, hard to fathom, like the sea. 'Reappears' doesn't apply. 'Does not reappear' doesn't apply. 'Both does & does not reappear' doesn't apply. 'Neither reappears nor does not reappear' doesn't apply.
Sherab wrote:Malcolm wrote:Sherab wrote:
If liberation means
Liberation simply means being free from the operation of afflictions.
I thought liberation defined as being free from the operation of affliction refers to being free from the 12 links of dependent origination, i.e. the liberation of an arhat or a pratekyabuddha. In contrast to that, I thought that the liberation of a buddha would be freedom from all dependencies. Otherwise, there would be no difference in realization between a buddha and an arhat.
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