Consciousness - an unusual form of energy

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Consciousness - an unusual form of energy

Postby Snovid » Wed Oct 09, 2013 1:31 pm

"Brain physiologist, Nobel Prize winner Sir John C.Ecless conducted research on the phenomenon of the so-called. "Wandering consciousness." Based on the basic physics law of conservation of mass and energy came to the conclusion that human bio-energy can not disappear even after death. The puzzle is only whether the power of consciousness after death the body remain whole or is broken down into small particles? The energy is equivalent to matter (and vice versa - at least we think so today based on the known laws of physics adopted for the right ...), so the matter as energy can appear in any dimension, although not necessarily need to see it."
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The more I read about Buddhist philosophy
the more I am confirmed in the belief that Buddhism denies himself.

On the one hand talking about reincarnation
on the other hand it is said that the next incarnation does not resemble pearls strung on a string/soul
they are more like a cube stacked one on the other.
is the relationship between the cubes but there is no single identity.
If so
There is no RE-incarnation

If the previous incarnation and the current incarnation
are two different beings
there is no such thing as "My guilt/karma from a previous life" because I dont have any previous lifes.
Previous lifes are not mine.
I have only one life and when I die,will not be continue.
Everything is clear.

BUT

at the same time it is stated that some champions have achieved rainbow body
and continue to live, you can pray to them, they can return to Earth to teach us etc.


Did energy of consciousness after death of our body/structure
remain a whole,or it is broken into small particles unaware of their own existence?
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Re: Consciousness - an unusual form of energy

Postby PadmaVonSamba » Wed Oct 09, 2013 2:06 pm

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An analogy:
Suppose you start with a stack of wooded boards,
each one numbered.
If you put that lumber in a truck,
no matter what happens to that lumber,
no matter what order you put those boards into the truck,
no matter where the truck goes,
and if the boards get all mixed up and out of order,
it will still be the same collection of wooden boards
even if it is not the same stack of wooden boards.

If that truck falls into a river
and all the wood scatters,
they are still the same pieces of wood
regardless of where they might wash up along the shore.

If that same stack of wood is first put together into the construction of a boat or raft
then when that truck falls into the river and the wood is released from it
it will all (theoretically) arrive down the river
as the same boat or raft it was when it was put into the truck,
and when it fell out of the truck.

Likewise,
the components of cognitive awareness may scatter
but they will still wash up again somewhere.
Even if they are constructed into a seemingly single entity (a boat of the 'self')
they are still separate components of cognition.

cognition doesn't continue when you die
but those components of cognition
which are not dependent on physical matter
those components do not disintegrate when the physical matter (the brain) ceases.

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You could also say that thoughts basically clone themselves.

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Re: Consciousness - an unusual form of energy

Postby Snovid » Wed Oct 09, 2013 2:28 pm

cognition doesn't continue when you die

In this way I understand a book Sogyal Rinpoche
but this only confirms what I wrote
there is no reincarnation
because nothing is continuing our/I/self existence.

The only thing I do not understand still
is consequences obtaining rainbow body.

Guru Rinpoche exists or does not exist?
Shakyamuni no longer exists after death of his body?
Who are Tulku when there is no reincarnation,
simple political ploy having help keep the monasteries?

if I/self, not exist, who achieved enlightenment and rainbow body?
What is a rainbow body,when after death occurs the end of cognition?

Reinbow body is only symbol,hologram
hallucination which we experience by practicing self-hypnosis and autosuggestion/mantras,visualisation etc?
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Re: Consciousness - an unusual form of energy

Postby futerko » Wed Oct 09, 2013 2:29 pm

Snowid wrote:Did energy of consciousness after death of our body/structure
remain a whole,or it is broken into small particles unaware of their own existence?


Maybe it was never a whole, but only attained some semblance of wholeness through developing an awareness of its own lack of (full) existence?
we cannot get rid of God because we still believe in grammar - Nietzsche
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Re: Consciousness - an unusual form of energy

Postby KonchokZoepa » Wed Oct 09, 2013 2:55 pm

i have to say that i personally disagree with that cognition would cease to be or manifest after death. cognizance is the clarity aspect of emptiness and you do not need an i / self / me for it to function.
If the thought of demons
Never rises in your mind,
You need not fear the demon hosts around you.
It is most important to tame your mind within....

In so far as the Ultimate, or the true nature of being is concerned,
there are neither buddhas or demons.
He who frees himself from fear and hope, evil and virtue,
will realize the insubstantial and groundless nature of confusion.
Samsara will then appear as the mahamudra itself….

-Milarepa

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Re: Consciousness - an unusual form of energy

Postby KonchokZoepa » Wed Oct 09, 2013 2:57 pm

and also i think it is said in some scriptures that normal people after three days of being unconscious wake up and they wake up in theyre mental body which has still the sense of the old ''i'' and also in some stories as told in peaceful death, joyful rebirth people who are in the bardo often do not realize that they have died and still think they are alive.
If the thought of demons
Never rises in your mind,
You need not fear the demon hosts around you.
It is most important to tame your mind within....

In so far as the Ultimate, or the true nature of being is concerned,
there are neither buddhas or demons.
He who frees himself from fear and hope, evil and virtue,
will realize the insubstantial and groundless nature of confusion.
Samsara will then appear as the mahamudra itself….

-Milarepa

OMMANIPADMEHUNG

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls6P9tOYmdo
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Re: Consciousness - an unusual form of energy

Postby Snovid » Wed Oct 09, 2013 5:35 pm

I will tell you all
how I see buddism.

let us say that Buddhism is a person
:hi: - buddism.

Two humans meet with third person/Buddhism
and ask him:

Human 1:There is a continuation of our consciousness
after death of body?

Buddism say:Yes,you are right.

Human 2:Is it true that after death,IT what experiences existence,ceases to exist?
Is it true that after death,we do not even know that we do not exist any more
  and that, once we existed before our death?

Buddism say:Yes,you are right.


Snowid heard the conversation and asks: When human1 asked about existence after death
you said it was true
but when human2 denied the first human you admitted he was right.

After all,their views are mutually cancel each other out.
Both of them can not be right.

Buddism say:yes,you are right.
:rolling:

It seems that Buddhism in general does not have views
only psychological knowledge
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Re: Consciousness - an unusual form of energy

Postby KonchokZoepa » Wed Oct 09, 2013 5:37 pm

actually there is view in dzogchen and i think the prajnaparamita also states a view. of course you can call it a psychological knowledge but it does not rule out the existence of a view in buddhism
If the thought of demons
Never rises in your mind,
You need not fear the demon hosts around you.
It is most important to tame your mind within....

In so far as the Ultimate, or the true nature of being is concerned,
there are neither buddhas or demons.
He who frees himself from fear and hope, evil and virtue,
will realize the insubstantial and groundless nature of confusion.
Samsara will then appear as the mahamudra itself….

-Milarepa

OMMANIPADMEHUNG

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls6P9tOYmdo
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Re: Consciousness - an unusual form of energy

Postby Alfredo » Thu Oct 10, 2013 12:45 am

What is "human bio-energy"? You use the quasi-scientific term "energy" for it, but what kind of energy are you referring to? Electro-magnetism? (If so, then we should be able to detect it with instruments.)

Even though matter and energy can transform into one another (easier one way than the other, though), your biological existence and consciousness would disappear if I nuked you, for example. Sure, the matter in your body would be transformed into various types of radiation, but that kind of existence could hardly support a human-like consciousness.
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Re: Consciousness - an unusual form of energy

Postby PadmaVonSamba » Thu Oct 10, 2013 8:06 pm

So, what is rebirth?
it is some form of subsequent cognition caused by a some form of previous cognition.
To understand this in the context of a physical body that dies and decomposes,
we can think of a mirror.
A mirror contains all of the physical properties needed to create a reflection of whatever in in front of it
but cannot generate any image on its own.
This represents all of the physical properties of the brain
which are needed to produce what is experienced as cognition
even though those elements do not generate that experience,
meaning that they do not cognitively "witness" their own existence.

If you put the mirror into a sealed (light-proof) box,
the mirror still has all of the properties needed, all the potential to reflect
but it does not reflect.
Likewise, a person who can see has the cognitive ability to see his own reflection
but cannot unless something which functions as a mirror is there.

What exists and cannot be denied, is awareness.
in fact, the only things we can say exist, for certain,
are awareness, and objects of awareness
(even though those objects may not have any intrinsic reality to them).
To be more accurate, the ground of awareness
not to be confused with circumstantial cognitive awareness (consciousness).

The ground of awareness persists, arising and dissipating along with physical conditions.
Ultimately, there is no rebirth
because ultimately, the true "buddha nature" of mind is free of rebirth.
but in the context of samsaric confusion, relatively, there is
the experience of rebirth, arising with physical conditions.
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