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Postby omnifriend » Tue Oct 08, 2013 7:05 pm

Hi, I understand that when I think of people, places, and things, in my mind they are imaginary, and not realities. but I am having difficulty seeing how certain words like the, or as, is, etc... how are these words not ultimate realities? thank you, metta

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Re: imputation

Postby DGA » Tue Oct 08, 2013 7:31 pm

I don't see how one could understand a definite article (the), for instance, as an ultimate reality. What is "the" ultimately? How about the verb "to be": what is "is" ultimately?

what ultimate existence would a grammatical marker have?
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Re: imputation

Postby ClearblueSky » Tue Oct 08, 2013 9:10 pm

It's not that they're imaginary, but our idea that it's a fixed permanent thing, and our idea that we see something as the "way it is" instead of through our own little filters and delusions, that keeps us from seeing the ultimate reality. We need to be careful not to delve too close to Nihilism.
And that's a pretty abstract question... but just as everyone has their own idea of what a place "is" that isn't real, it's the same for a word's meaning. "The" doesn't mean anything inherently, and thousands of years ago the word "the" was not even a concept (and it eventually probably won't again). And if you go to a country with another language now, the word "the" may still have no meaning, or may have a totally different one. It has no more solid reality than anything else.

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Re: imputation

Postby Johnny Dangerous » Thu Oct 10, 2013 3:02 am

omnifriend wrote:Hi, I understand that when I think of people, places, and things, in my mind they are imaginary, and not realities. but I am having difficulty seeing how certain words like the, or as, is, etc... how are these words not ultimate realities? thank you, metta


Language is even more made up than our projections, because it's just a way of describing the projections..
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Re: imputation

Postby muni » Thu Oct 10, 2013 8:22 am

omnifriend wrote:Hi, I understand that when I think of people, places, and things, in my mind they are imaginary, and not realities. but I am having difficulty seeing how certain words like the, or as, is, etc... how are these words not ultimate realities? thank you, metta


:namaste: I guess things are not so due to our habitual grasping mind. That one is even able to see a wrong and right Ultimate Reality and many more. It is a great artist, itself Ultimate Reality but without the recognition of its nature.

o o

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Remember that a thought is only the fleeting conjunction of myriad factors and circumstances. It does not exist by itself. When a thought arises, recognize its empty nature. It will immediately loose its power to elicit the next thought. And the chain of delusion will be broken. ~~Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche


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