Budha was wrong about desire

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Budha was wrong about desire

Postby Nosta » Tue Sep 03, 2013 2:28 pm

Afterall, Buddha was wrong about desire...



:roll:

New age garbage...ai ai caramba!
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Re: Budha was wrong about desire

Postby oushi » Tue Sep 03, 2013 4:20 pm

Did you follow your desire to post this "garbage" on forum? Hmm....
Say what you think about me here.
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Re: Budha was wrong about desire

Postby smcj » Tue Sep 03, 2013 5:01 pm

She advertises her book at the beginning of the video. I think she lifted the title, "The Sculptor in the Sky" from this Milarepa song:

I saw without eyes the visible realm
Heard without ears the sound of voidness,
Smelled without nose the natural state's scent,
And tasted without tongue reality's sweet taste.

An artist without hands
Drawing pictures in the sky
,
Seeing without eyes the myriad things
In perfect vision without movement or strain.


Well, at least this thread gave me a reason to post that nice Milarepa quote!
A human being has his limits. And thus, in every conceivable way, with every possible means, he tries to make the teaching enter into his own limits. ChNN
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Re: Budha was wrong about desire

Postby Johnny Dangerous » Tue Sep 03, 2013 5:10 pm

Ugh...just ugh, are there people out there who take this seriously?
"Just as a lotus does not grow out of a well-levelled soil but from the mire, in the same way the awakening mind
is not born in the hearts of disciples in whom the moisture of attachment has dried up. It grows instead in the hearts of ordinary sentient beings who possess in full the fetters of bondage." -Se Chilbu Choki Gyaltsen
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Re: Budha was wrong about desire

Postby Nosta » Tue Sep 03, 2013 5:24 pm

New age crap is new spiritual path.

But I must recognize that many times people get to buddhism because they first arrive at New Age ideas.

And about this girl, I think that she says lots of useless things. And its amazing to see that an unknow woman like her knows more things than Buddha itself... -_-
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Re: Budha was wrong about desire

Postby anjali » Tue Sep 03, 2013 5:48 pm

This woman has some issues. From her website, "It was because of Teal's extrasensory abilities that she was inducted as a child into a local cult by a family acquaintance, where she was routinely ritualistically tortured and programmed for a period of thirteen years. She managed to escape from the cult when she was 19 years old. Since then, Teal has become a "spiritual catalyst" both accepting and utilizing her abilities to remind people of the united, energetic nature of this universe and to teach people how to find bliss in the midst of even the most extreme circumstances."

May she be free from suffering and the root of suffering...
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Re: Budha was wrong about desire

Postby shel » Tue Sep 03, 2013 6:25 pm

She's kinda hot. Guess I still have desires. :shrug:
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Re: Budha was wrong about desire

Postby qwerty13 » Tue Sep 03, 2013 6:33 pm

anjali wrote:This woman has some issues.


...But is at least good looking though.

EDIT: Dammit! shel got here before me!
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Re: Budha was wrong about desire

Postby Nosta » Tue Sep 03, 2013 6:41 pm

shel wrote:She's kinda hot. Guess I still have desires. :shrug:

:rolling:

Well, she is not ugly indeed lol
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Re: Budha was wrong about desire

Postby anjali » Tue Sep 03, 2013 7:03 pm

Nosta wrote:
shel wrote:She's kinda hot. Guess I still have desires. :shrug:

:rolling:

Well, she is not ugly indeed lol


You guys can admire her appearance while watching an interview of her talk about her childhood abuse.
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Re: Budha was wrong about desire

Postby shel » Tue Sep 03, 2013 7:31 pm

I listened to part of it. I suppose anything is possible but it does sound a little fishy. At six years old her abuser trained her to wake up at 3:22 am, go to the driveway, and he'd then pimp her out for the rest of the night? Were her parents completely out-to-lunch? Is 3:22 am the witching hour for pedophiles?
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Re: Budha was wrong about desire

Postby anjali » Tue Sep 03, 2013 7:59 pm

shel wrote:I listened to part of it. I suppose anything is possible but it does sound a little fishy. At six years old her abuser trained her to wake up at 3:22 am, go to the driveway, and he'd then pimp her out for the rest of the night? Were her parents completely out-to-lunch? Is 3:22 am the witching hour for pedophiles?


That part her story may have come later. She says she was involved with the cult until 19.

In her interview, there seemed to be genuine suffering when she discussed her abuse. She covers it up very well. She mentioned writing her book as an outpouring over a three month period after going through a lot of therapy and introspection. It's just my view, but writing that book seemed to be a form of self-therapy and coping for her. She was looking for answers and grounding. That book was her way of finding it. This is not making excuses for her suspect teachings. It's just that, if we get passed the facade, there is a deeply suffering person there. At least that's the way it comes across to me.

At this point, I've said enough on this. I really don't know her or her situation. Others can pick up the baton if they are interested.
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Re: Budha was wrong about desire

Postby shel » Tue Sep 03, 2013 8:04 pm

Suffering as a catalyst for growth, if that's the message, is a good message. But it's not a new message. Same old book, new cover...
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Re: Budha was wrong about desire

Postby Astus » Tue Sep 03, 2013 9:12 pm

In the video she says that the suffering is not the desire itself but focusing on what we don't have and what we don't want. So we should not resist desire and appreciate the present. We should also understand that desire never stops, there is no end of it, thus there is no state to reach and hold on to.

The above statements can be easily matched with the Buddha's teachings. Her ideas about the universe, etc. are a different matter, but fairly understandable considering the cultural background, and they serve the practical application of her teachings.
"There is no such thing as the real mind. Ridding yourself of delusion: that's the real mind."
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True Buddha can’t be found.
Does marvelous nature and spirit
Need tempering or refinement?
Mind is this mind carefree;
This face, the face at birth."

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Re: Budha was wrong about desire

Postby yan kong » Tue Sep 03, 2013 9:53 pm

I knew it! I'm going back to Christivoodooislam with healing crystals, that's where it's at.
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Re: Budha was wrong about desire

Postby denny » Tue Oct 08, 2013 6:44 pm

yan kong wrote:I knew it! I'm going back to Christivoodooislam with healing crystals, that's where it's at.


Just make sure you do it in a blazing hot sweat lodge to get the maximum benefit.

Could always be worse. And if the dreamer/followers feel benefited and no one is harmed, who are we to condemn?

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Re: Budha was wrong about desire

Postby Jikan » Tue Oct 08, 2013 7:34 pm

denny wrote:
yan kong wrote:I knew it! I'm going back to Christivoodooislam with healing crystals, that's where it's at.


Just make sure you do it in a blazing hot sweat lodge to get the maximum benefit.

Could always be worse. And if the dreamer/followers feel benefited and no one is harmed, who are we to condemn?

d


I take your point, but there's a difference between FEELING benefited and actually BEING benefited by something.

Buddhists (at least the ones I know and the ones on this board) are often skeptical of this kind of mishmash of teachings. It seems like Aloha Amigo! to many of us.

http://dctendai.blogspot.com/2010/07/al ... hical.html
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Re: Budha was wrong about desire

Postby David N. Snyder » Wed Oct 09, 2013 2:11 am

She states that desire is necessary and unavoidable but admits that it leads to suffering. Not getting what you want, when you really do want it is suffering and she has no answer for that. If desire is so good, why is there still so much suffering in the world? How is that working out?

A wholesome desire for a wholesome outcome is okay and the Buddhist teachings do not prohibit wholesome desires (chandha vs. tanha).

See also the Unnabha Paradox in the Pali Canon:

http://www.dhammawiki.com/index.php?tit ... mana_Sutta

It is the desire to end all desires and that is wholesome with a peaceful outcome. :meditate:

To use an anology, let's say that the relativists are right and there are no absolute truths of any kind. Someone might retort: "but that is an absolute truth, you contradicted yourself!" The relativists could respond by saying that "the only absolute truth is that there are no [other] absolute truths" and that statement is perfectly fine.
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Re: Budha was wrong about desire

Postby greentara » Wed Oct 09, 2013 3:23 am

Whats this New Age jibber jabber? A woman, a sad story, lots of lip gloss. I've seen better on Oprah!
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Re: Budha was wrong about desire

Postby disjointed » Wed Oct 09, 2013 4:05 am

Are we on this forum much better I wonder.

If we're going to think with conceit regarding understanding
time will reveal fresh ego wounds.

When I see teachers confronted by students with perverse views and they don't flinch I wonder how much they've tolerated from me without my knowing.
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