padma norbu wrote:
because I think we all have a general idea of what that is and how far it takes you (not far, but seems huge at first, doesn't it?)
A general idea is just that though.
Once again i have to emphasize that there is such a difference in perspective to these substances from a shamanic point of view and that of just your aspiring 'psychonaut'.
A shaman doesn't just ingest psychedelics (notably aya, iboga and certain Cacti), a shaman ingests the spirit / essence of that substance as a tool to communicate with Nature it's self.
We are aware of the value of learning from the sentience of the world around us, and what the shaman does is communicate with sentience that is beyond our normal capability.
IS that of any real or lasting use to many people? Probably not, but it all depends on the calibre of what is being taught,learnt and experienced.
It's a very intimate relationship where by the Guru or teacher manifests as the plants and nature it's self. There is no "how far can it take you" , more so what else can it teach you, and for what purposes.I express these views because i think they're a perspective that might seem too subjectively decorated at first, but i assure you there is value in the genuine communicating with sentience beyond our human and animal realms.
A key aspect of Ayauascha is the Icaro, or medicine song. These songs are taught to the shaman by the plants, spirits and nature it's self. How they work is anyone's guess but it's not uncommon to hear of stories of people having their asymmetry sung back into symmetry and underlying obscurations to be summoned, examined and released. Not to mention the diagnostic abilities a shaman has when in collaboration with these spirits.
I just want to make it apparent that there is vast difference between just tripping, getting high etc and actually collaborating and learning with the genuine sentience that some of these substances can provide. Of course the argument that the sentience is just an internal creation or projection will arise, and in some cases that's true, but for those who have experienced the genuine presence of "other" intelligence will know they're not just creations of your own mind but actual encounters. It's just not something as black and white as many people assume.
Saying all of that, i do strongly agree that many people are not well versed enough within their own minds and psychological make-up to gain real lasting benefit from these things and the potential for mental illness and more problems can arise. There are real world applications for these things as breakthroughs and ongoing psychedelic research is now demonstrating.
By all means we have to be mindful and cautious about these things, especially if we have seen the detrimental effects they can have on some people, but we must also be open to the possibility that used under proper guidance ,in a ceremonial ritualistic setting, with careful intent,prayer,mantra,meditation, there can be benefit and merit to the path, even if it is only a temporary vehicle for some, a medicine for others, and a guru of boundless wisdom and compassion for others.