Johnny Dangerous wrote:
Seems like when you are part of a tradition, whatever your flaws, you acknowledge that whatever bit of realization you might have eeked out comes alrelgy from that tradtion. Talking like these traditions just sort of parallel insights you've discovered on your own seems like it adds a whole different tone to things.
rachmiel wrote:Each to his/her own, I guess.
I have no problem with an eclectic approach to spirituality. Nor do I have an aversion to lack of sophistication. Quite the opposite! I'm very suspicious of creating/following a strictly laid-out spiritual path, it's way too close to dogma for me. Slippery slope ...
That said, sure, Tolle's commercialism rubs me the wrong way. Imo the dharma should be free for all humankind. But I've never had a head for business.
Johnny Dangerous wrote:I don't have an issue with an eclectic approach either, I just have an issue with not giving credit where it's due....maybe i'm mistaken with Tolle, but from what I have read and seen this is a possibility.
rachmiel wrote:Johnny Dangerous wrote:I don't have an issue with an eclectic approach either, I just have an issue with not giving credit where it's due....maybe i'm mistaken with Tolle, but from what I have read and seen this is a possibility.
Maybe Tolle picked this "tabula rasa"-ish approach from one of his role models, Krishnamurti, who hardly ever mentioned any spiritual writings and teachers?
PadmaVonSamba wrote:When Buddhism says life is suffering,
it refers to a state of constant dissatisfaction, restlessness, the opposite of perfect peace of mind.
You noticed this yourself when meditating.
That's the point of meditation, to gradually calm the mind.
Naturally, this is hard at first.
Why is that?
When Buddhism talks about non-attachment
it doesn't mean you can't love, or enjoy life's wonders.
It simply means that becoming attached to things which do not last
cannot bring lasting peace of mind.
I love my big German Shepherd dog
and I will be miserable on his last day with me.
Buddhism teaches how to be happy without depending on happiness
and how to be sad without dwelling in sadness.
When Buddhism talks about desire
it doesn't say to stop wanting things.
Go out and enjoy life. Play with your dog.
But consider, do you love your dog because of who your dog is
or are you attached to some fixed idea of your dog,
that only comes from your own imagination?
When Buddhism says suffering is a product of the mind
it means that outside of the mind,
where does one's suffering exist?
You cannot change all of the conditions of the painful world which you describe
but you can change your experience from one of anger or confusion, or victimization
to one of compassion and clarity
and actually benefit not only yourself, but countless beings.
Believe it or not,
Suffering begins and ends in the mind.
You cannot control what others do to you
but you can control your own mind.
This does not mean that you can be happy being raped or having a nail in your skull.
But who is the one holding onto it now?
All beings suffer.
But you don't have to carry that pain with you your whole life.
one's own suffering is reduced
the moment one wishes for others to be free from suffering.
When Buddhism talks about living in the moment
it means not to dwell on the past or get lost pondering what may or may not happen.
Everything on the whole planet, is only happening right now, at this very second,
Nothing is happening in the past or in the future.
except in your own thoughts.
So, focusing on right now is of great benefit.
Which is a greater waste of time...
freeing the mind in the present moment
or constantly weighing it down with baggage from the past?
Don't expect anything from meditating.
Instead, expect nothing, if you sit long enough.
HOW NICE! You deserve a little vacation.
Every second of our lives we are chasing after things,
or trying to escape from things,
and always expecting things.
Even when we sleep, when we dream, the mind is busy.
That is what Buddhism means by "suffering".
Meditation gradually lets your mind relax.
Like pond water that has been stirred up, full of mud, you can't drink it. You can't wash with it.
But if you wait and let the mud settle, the water returns to its original clear state.
then it becomes usable again.
That's the mind in meditation.
If Mooji and Eckhart Tolle make you think of suicide,
stop listening to them. They are not Buddhist teachers.
Buddhism is not about suicide.
Properly understood, suicide is not the logical conclusion.
Suicide shuts everything down.
Buddhism opens everything up
....sometimes more than you want!
Two months is a good start.
Twenty-five years, maybe better.
Consider all of these doubts a good sign
that you are being truly honest with yourself
and keep meditating.
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