Buddhist Epistemology

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Re: Buddhist Epistemology

Postby nilakantha » Sun Oct 21, 2012 7:30 am

In the same vein, a quote from an interesting book I’m reading at the moment: MATERIALS FOR THE STUDY OF ĀRYADEVA, DHARMAPĀLA AND CANDRAKĪRTI
Once one understands the Buddhist position as found in CS (Four Hundred Verses of Aryadeva) and the Epistemologists, it is difficult to resist the impression that the Buddhist, especially as explained by Dharmakīrti, sets his standards almost impossibly high. It should be apparent that no one, Buddhist or non-Buddhist, can in practice inferentially or empirically test for himself all rationally analysable propositions on which he must make a decision. The result to which a Buddhist philosopher is led, therefore, is that his stringent standards force him into a type of skepticism about much of what we would wish to term "justified true belief or "knowledge", for inevitably the majority of our knowledge about matters which are not at all transcendent (such as e.g. geography, history, etc.) is not due to our own personal observations or inferences. (We do not, for example, observe or infer the rationally analysable truth that Columbus sailed with three ships to America: we read about it. Nonetheless, is it not reasonable to claim that we know this fact?) Interestingly enough, some later Buddhist philosophers seem to accept this skeptical consequence, saying that in non-transcendent matters, reliance on testimony, books or any other type of information apart from one's own direct perception and inference, does not yield real knowledge, but rather, "true presumption", to use the epistemic category elaborated upon in the Tibetan scholastic.
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wholly occupied with the solemn duty of saving others.

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Re: Buddhist Epistemology

Postby Ikkyu » Wed Oct 24, 2012 8:30 pm

"Nothing can be known, not even this."
-- Arcesilaus (but I'm not sure)

(cutting through bullshit, and sometimes failing... that's ok, though)


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Re: Buddhist Epistemology

Postby Grigoris » Wed Oct 24, 2012 9:14 pm

Dear Ikkyu,

Don't you get bored of saying the same thing over and over and geting the same answers every time?

It's quite simple, if it don't sit right with you then just leave it. Continue practicing and it will all make complete sense for you when you finally realise it instead of trying to know it.
:namaste:
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"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
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Re: Buddhist Epistemology

Postby viniketa » Wed Oct 24, 2012 11:33 pm

. ~

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Re: I thought Buddhism wasn't about threatening people with Hell

Postby Ikkyu » Sat Nov 10, 2012 5:41 am

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"Nothing can be known, not even this."
-- Arcesilaus (but I'm not sure)

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Re: Buddhist Epistemology

Postby Ikkyu » Sat Nov 10, 2012 5:50 am

"Nothing can be known, not even this."
-- Arcesilaus (but I'm not sure)

(cutting through bullshit, and sometimes failing... that's ok, though)


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Re: Buddhist Epistemology

Postby Ikkyu » Sat Nov 10, 2012 6:00 am

"Nothing can be known, not even this."
-- Arcesilaus (but I'm not sure)

(cutting through bullshit, and sometimes failing... that's ok, though)


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Re: Buddhist Epistemology

Postby Ikkyu » Sat Nov 10, 2012 6:05 am

"Nothing can be known, not even this."
-- Arcesilaus (but I'm not sure)

(cutting through bullshit, and sometimes failing... that's ok, though)


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Re: Buddhist Epistemology

Postby Ikkyu » Sat Nov 10, 2012 6:21 am

"Nothing can be known, not even this."
-- Arcesilaus (but I'm not sure)

(cutting through bullshit, and sometimes failing... that's ok, though)


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Re: Buddhist Epistemology

Postby Ikkyu » Sat Nov 10, 2012 6:25 am

"Nothing can be known, not even this."
-- Arcesilaus (but I'm not sure)

(cutting through bullshit, and sometimes failing... that's ok, though)


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Re: Buddhist Epistemology

Postby Ikkyu » Sat Nov 10, 2012 6:26 am

"Nothing can be known, not even this."
-- Arcesilaus (but I'm not sure)

(cutting through bullshit, and sometimes failing... that's ok, though)


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