Zen masters from Shaolin?

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Zen masters from Shaolin?

Postby /johnny\ » Thu Jul 26, 2012 5:32 am

Or more appropriately Chan masters from shaolin. Were/are there many known? All i find when searching is martial arts masters. But it was a buddhist temple before a martial arts hub, and still today there are monks practicing Chan with martial arts as a secondary practice simply too keep healthy and aid in Chan practice (i think anyway).

Anyone know?

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Re: Zen masters from Shaolin?

Postby Virgo » Thu Jul 26, 2012 5:35 am

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Re: Zen masters from Shaolin?

Postby /johnny\ » Thu Jul 26, 2012 5:38 am

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Re: Zen masters from Shaolin?

Postby Indrajala » Thu Jul 26, 2012 5:41 am

Historically some Chan teachers didn't think so highly of Shaolin, thinking of it as problematic actually.

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Re: Zen masters from Shaolin?

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Re: Zen masters from Shaolin?

Postby /johnny\ » Thu Jul 26, 2012 5:42 am

Huseng wrote:Historically some Chan teachers didn't think so highly of Shaolin, thinking of it as problematic actually.


okay but aside from what others thought of it, did any masters come from there?

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Re: Zen masters from Shaolin?

Postby /johnny\ » Thu Jul 26, 2012 5:43 am

it was a joke.

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Re: Zen masters from Shaolin?

Postby /johnny\ » Thu Jul 26, 2012 5:51 am

obviously the militant buddhist contradiction is problematic for many, but in history there were times where most of the fighting monks lived outside the temple in smaller shrines. i think the conclusion is that there were normal non-fighting monks living in the heart of the temple.

i'm guessing anything non martial arts related coming from shaolin has been drowned in the flood of kung fu stories and masters.

oh well.

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Re: Zen masters from Shaolin?

Postby Astus » Thu Jul 26, 2012 9:45 am

Xueting Fuyu (1203-1275) established in Shaolin both its martial side and the Caodong lineage, and even today in China the Caodong lineage comes through him.

Zhanran Yuancheng (1561-1626), revived the Caodong lineage in the Ming dynasty, and his master, Cizhou Fangnian (?-1594), was from Shaolin.
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What is there to seek?

2 If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.

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this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.

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Re: Zen masters from Shaolin?

Postby /johnny\ » Thu Jul 26, 2012 6:56 pm

Astus wrote:Xueting Fuyu (1203-1275) established in Shaolin both its martial side and the Caodong lineage, and even today in China the Caodong lineage comes through him.

Zhanran Yuancheng (1561-1626), revived the Caodong lineage in the Ming dynasty, and his master, Cizhou Fangnian (?-1594), was from Shaolin.



i'm confused. i read a book on the history of shaolin and it said they were practicing martial arts long before the 13th century. there is a stele dating from the tang dynasty (618-907 AD, or thereabouts, i read it awhile ago) that talks about their fighting abilities in assisting the emperor in a military conflict. in fact it seems that some of the earliest members of shaolin temple were martial artists.

anyway, that aside. thanks for the names! i'll look them up. so i think shaolin at first was agama buddhist mostly, founded by a dhyana master, then at some point it picked up chan, and i guess later caodong specifically? interesting!

thank you very much for the great info!


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