Huseng wrote:Most monks I know live very comfortable lifestyles and are free from most ordinary worries in life (such as food, shelter and clothing).
The Buddha taught that monastics should be free from material concerns and thus need the Four Requisites provided for them: food, clothing, medicine and shelter.
Haemin wrote: Even in the Buddha's time, the monastic order moved from being a wholly itinerant one to a community of settled monks and nuns living in community. Eating twice a day at that time when many and perhaps most people were lucky to eat once a day meant that the Buddha's monks and nuns had a healthy diet. Literal begging was a culturally appropriate practice in India in the Buddha's time, but was dropped centuries ago in East Asia when Buddhism moved to China.
Huseng wrote:This is because early on the state came to support institutionalized Buddhism. However, there were plenty of wandering vagrant monks who people helped and supported.
So, the Buddha was fine with both. He wandered and he stayed at monasteries.
Huseng wrote:Having people support you is fine, but my concern is an underlying sense of entitlement, especially in the context of creating monastic institutions in the west. People think they can't become monks unless they have health insurance paid for them, for example.
I've never met anyone who thinks they can't ordain unless someone provides them with anything. As I believe I stated earlier, the Western monastics I know not only overwhelmingly provide for themselves (though some receive support), some also work to subsidize the temple or Dharma center where they volunteer and sometimes reside. I can't think of a single monk or nun I've met with a sense of entitlement.
Huseng wrote:Look at the post-war history of the Korean Jogye order. The celibate monks formed a movement to eject or at least actively isolate the married priests.
That ended decades ago in S. Korea. Today the Taego and Jogye Order get along fine. I don't see that situation being recreated in the West.
Forgive me, but I need to bow out of these threads. I'm on a writing retreat for school for the rest of the week, and I've said all I have to say. Peace out.