Great Doubt Zen

Great Doubt Zen

Postby seeker242 » Wed Jan 08, 2014 11:22 pm

What do people think it means when the wise zen men talk about "Great Doubt"? What does great doubt mean? Great doubt about what? The old saying goes "no doubt, no awakening, small doubt, small awakening, great doubt, great awakening". What is meant by that?

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Re: Great Doubt Zen

Postby Astus » Thu Jan 09, 2014 1:06 am

Great doubt is the determination to get an answer and at the same time not accepting (i.e. doubting) whatever answer one finds in the process.

Some related things:

Robert E. Buswell: The Transformation of Doubt (Ŭijŏng) in Kanhwa Sŏn: The Testimony of Gaofeng Yuanmiao
Jeff Shore: Great Doubt: Getting Stuck & Breaking Through The Real Koan
What are the feeling of doubt, the ball of doubt, form into one piece, and the silver mountains and iron walls?

Also: Collected Works of Korean Buddhism, Vol. 3; p75-77 n132, n135

This looks like a good source, however, don't know where to get it: Gaofeng Yuanmiao's (1238-1295) "Three Essentials": The Nature and Function of Doubt in Chinese Kanhua Meditation
"There is no such thing as the real mind. Ridding yourself of delusion: that's the real mind."
(Sheng-yen: Getting the Buddha Mind, p 73)

“Don’t rashly seek the true Buddha;
True Buddha can’t be found.
Does marvelous nature and spirit
Need tempering or refinement?
Mind is this mind carefree;
This face, the face at birth."

(Nanyue Mingzan: Enjoying the Way, tr. Jeff Shore; T51n2076, p461b24-26)
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Re: Great Doubt Zen

Postby LastLegend » Thu Jan 09, 2014 3:16 am

seeker242 wrote:What do people think it means when the wise zen men talk about "Great Doubt"? What does great doubt mean? Great doubt about what? The old saying goes "no doubt, no awakening, small doubt, small awakening, great doubt, great awakening". What is meant by that?

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Great doubt in oneself-use head to doubt head.
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Re: Great Doubt Zen

Postby LastLegend » Thu Jan 09, 2014 6:11 am

Mind ground where seeds grow into flowers.
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