Luke wrote:.....Zen Buddhists generally don't care about different states of samadhi and are usually more concerned with non-thinking and non-meditation than they are with meditation.
Astus wrote:And by Zen they never meant actual meditation, but rather the inexpressible experience of the true nature.
oushi wrote:And what is the difference between those two? There may be many methods and techniques, but isn't meditation an inexpressible experience of the true nature?
Astus wrote:oushi wrote:And what is the difference between those two? There may be many methods and techniques, but isn't meditation an inexpressible experience of the true nature?
The gradual path of meditation (going through preliminaries, shamatha and vipashyana) culminates in the direct realisation of the true nature. So what counts as meditation is not actually that realisation but the path toward it.
oushi wrote:What do you think about this?
oushi wrote:What do you think Zen is, according to this Zen text?
Jinzang wrote:"Non-meditation" is a kind of meditation. (How very Zen.).
Holybla wrote:Zen and nonmeditation are not meditation. Meditation is using the mind to concentrate on something. Your nature is beyond the mind.
When we open the hand of thought, letting go, the original self is already there. It's not some special mystical state
jeeprs wrote:So why bother getting up before dawn to meditate or taking the trouble to study sutras?
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