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Re: Women, Buddhism, Meditation & The Internet

Postby Aloka » Mon Jun 13, 2011 5:35 pm

I think in the west there are probably more women involved with Tibetan Buddhism both on and offline than with Theravada. It seems so in my personal experience (as a woman) - but I could be wrong of course.

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Re: Women, Buddhism, Meditation & The Internet

Postby rowyourboat » Mon Jun 13, 2011 8:42 pm

If a Buddha was born now, he would ordain women first - I see them much more into the practice than men for some reason.

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Re: Women, Buddhism, Meditation & The Internet

Postby ground » Tue Jun 14, 2011 2:29 am

What you are observing may be caused by inclinations to gather together with others. The inclination to "socializing" may be dependent on the gender of the body.

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Re: Women, Buddhism, Meditation & The Internet

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Postby retrofuturist » Tue Jun 14, 2011 6:44 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Women, Buddhism, Meditation & The Internet

Postby Sanghamitta » Tue Jun 14, 2011 7:54 am

So, there you have your answer Jnana4...A prefect illustration of why so few woman post on Buddhist forae.
I take the point that posting on the internet is more a male behaviour per se...but It might be expected that with large numbers of modern western women participating in Buddhist activities that Buddhist forums might be the exception, and they are not.
The answer is to be found in the replies above...there is a deep seating conditioning that is still operative in some men that stereotypes female behaviour. Without going all Germane Greer this is clearly the case and online or offline Buddhists are no exception. Some of that conditioning is obvious in statements like " women run temples because the little dears have more need to socialise "....the reality is that if they didn't monks would be sitting in debris eating half cooked rice...
" men are free feral creatures who need to stimulate their brains and rest their backsides and turn from their hunter gatherer activities and debate suttas while assigning their families to a quiet corner of their minds "
The reality is that for many men with families the internet is a refuge from the messy business of being a dad or husband..
Its about power.
I would suggest that it is very little to do with individual dharma needs and a lot to do with men consciously or not...probably not...creating a den. A boys club from which many women would feel excluded very quickly..If you doubt that trawl through the membership and see how many women last....its very few.
And the reason ? Its not because , I would suggest. that females are shaped by their gender to have entirely different needs. Thats just a convenient fiction. Its because all of the conditioned patterns of western male behaviour are on display, and due to the disinhibiting nature of cyber space are there in fairly unmodified form that would quickly be challenged in the real world. I repeat, the real world.
The competitiveness, the oneupmanship, whether expressed overtly or otherwise, the adherence to the letter while ignoring the spirit, the avoidance of the more shadowy emotions, the fear of the body except as a means to be a hunter gatherer...
Thats why there are few active female members on this forum.

Oh and KIm O' Hara...I know EXACTLY who on your list is female, with one exception...Nothing to do with intuition..its a question of reading the posts properly.

Toodle pip lads...

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Re: Women, Buddhism, Meditation & The Internet

Postby mikenz66 » Tue Jun 14, 2011 8:00 am

:goodpost:

Yes, the assumption in some of the posts that there are a bunch of male loners out there zipping towards enlightenment much faster than those poor little dears who are wasting their time making merit in the temple is rather hilarious to me too... :rofl:

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Re: Women, Buddhism, Meditation & The Internet

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Re: Women, Buddhism, Meditation & The Internet

Postby retrofuturist » Tue Jun 14, 2011 8:22 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Women, Buddhism, Meditation & The Internet

Postby cooran » Tue Jun 14, 2011 8:23 am

Please, please, please Tilt - do not post a cartoon which you think could represent the female dhammawheel members. :jumping:

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Postby retrofuturist » Tue Jun 14, 2011 8:34 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Women, Buddhism, Meditation & The Internet

Postby tiltbillings » Tue Jun 14, 2011 8:36 am

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Re: Women, Buddhism, Meditation & The Internet

Postby Sanghamitta » Tue Jun 14, 2011 8:51 am

Hang on a minute....do you actually think Retrofuturist that the women who do those tasks at the temple think that they are somehow genetically programmed to do them..Of course not. They do them because the men are too busy gazing at their own navels to stoop to such ordinary messy stuff as relating , or cleaning, or taking instruction rather than reading suttas and sending metta from the ivory towers they have constructed to justify their lack of engagement with flesh and blood.
Lets make a couple of substitutions..." its different strokes for different races it seems , black people prefer social engagement to debating suttas "....... " the inclination to socialize may be dependant on the race of the body " ...... " maybe white people take themselves too seriously, maybe black people give up too easily, perhaps a bit of both "

The idea that social role gender difference is intrinsic rather than a series of conditioned learned behaviours is every bit as primitive as racism is.
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Re: Women, Buddhism, Meditation & The Internet

Postby Sanghamitta » Tue Jun 14, 2011 8:59 am

The going for refuge is the door of entrance to the teachings of the Buddha.

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