Quiet Heart wrote:One of the concepts that I just heard in passing was the idea of the
"turning of the wheel of the Dharma in the heart"...and with that the concept of the "further turnngs of the wheel" in the heart.
In this explanation the "first turning of the wheel in the heart" is Theravada, the 2nd turning in the heart is Mahayana, and the supposed 3rd turning is in Vajrayana.
Quiet Heart wrote:....I've dabbled around in some of the aspects of Mahayana also, and there are clearly some gems of understanding there too.
Vajrayana is something I've just been introduced to...and that looks interesting also, at least at first glance.....
pemachophel wrote:Vajrayana Buddhists believe that there were three Turnings of the Wheel of Dharma during the life of Shakyamuni. The first Turning comprises what Mahayanists refer to as the Hinayana scriptures. The second Turning comprises the Mahayana sutras, and the third Turning comprises the tantras. Vajrayanists believe all of these are valid words of the Buddha/Buddhas. However, when there are conflicts of seeming meaning, Mahayanists believe the Mahayana scriptures supercede the Hinayana scriptures. Similarly, for Vajrayanists, the esoteric tantras supercede both the Hinayana and exoteric Mahayana scriptures. In mentioning the three Turnings of the Wheel, I was cautioning not to criticize practices contained in one of the later Turnings based on statements in one of the previous Turnings.
Of course, if one is not a Mahayanist or a Vajrayanist, then they are perfectly free to reject teachings from these later Turnings. If one only accepts the scriptures of the foundational vehicle, the so-called Hinayana (i.e., the schools of the Theravada, Sarvastavada, and the other 16 schools), then the Mahayana and Vajrayana scriptures are apocryphal.
I hope this clears up what I was implying in my original response to the thread on "superstition." It seemed to me the OP in that thread was accepting only the Hinayana scriptures as valid "words of the Buddha." I was trying to point out that, depending on one's POV, there are actually three different categories of "words of the Buddhas" if one is a Vajrayanist. Sorry if I was inept in that attempt.
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