The Value of Culture

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Re: The Value of Culture

Postby Virgo » Tue Jun 19, 2012 5:42 am

Ogyen wrote:A really nice video.

I am glad you like it. It is not about sikh though, as I am sure you know, but our world.

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Re: The Value of Culture

Postby Anders » Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:52 am

I can only imagine kirtu has never lived outside western society if he imagines "all of western culture as a font of death and misery."

Tell us more about this utopian Dharmic society. How is it governed? By whom? And how is power retained? Which rights shall be renounced in order to ensure the supremacy of Dharmic principles. How are these Dharmic principles determined?
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Re: The Value of Culture

Postby kirtu » Wed Jun 20, 2012 4:28 pm

Anders wrote:I can only imagine kirtu has never lived outside western society if he imagines "all of western culture as a font of death and misery."


Yes I have. Hawaiian culture is unique, not Asia and not a total adherent to the US monoculture although deeply influenced by it. Kamehameha I's wars of unification were so bloody that the aftermath was that the Hawaiian people were essentially oriented to pacifism. This is not necessarily obvious because Hawaiians are fairly pro-military. The 30's/40's saw legendary martial arts schools activity (back then few non-Asians could study in those schools [this continued in some places up to the early 70's] with Kenpo being developed as a synthetic no-holds bared fighting art). Then there was the infamous "kill haole [white person] day" in high schools and later drug violence. Nonetheless Hawaii has developed as a true melting pot. The society is actually overwhelmingly opposed to war and violence. Even though deeply affected by US conservatism (this is afterall the fundamental mode of thought in the US) it is probably the first place that social democracy will appear in the US using community well-being as a basis.

Why do the people living long term in Hawaii gravitate in this direction? Because of the overwhelming power of nature, as well as Buddhist and Christian (mostly Methodist) values that permeate society.

Western society as a font of death and misery: really do I need to elaborate on this? It's difficult to even begin to elaborate the stream of death. The 20th century was nothing but a river of blood, mostly centred on Europe with horrific misery imposed on millions. The 19th century before it was a lull before the storm but it too was a stream of blood (originating in Europe and visited mostly on North America and Africa).

Tell us more about this utopian Dharmic society. How is it governed? By whom? And how is power retained? Which rights shall be renounced in order to ensure the supremacy of Dharmic principles. How are these Dharmic principles determined?


The reason western society created death and misery and imposed these on millions of people is because the cultures permit that to happen. By which I mean specifically the thought patterns that are typical of the societies permit thoughts of harm to arise in individual minds as a consequence of evaluating a situation or a problem. So over time we make it less likely for those thought forms to arise. And we do this by changing the priorities of the rules that people use to evaluate situations. We do this by establishing universal compassion and kindness as the highest priorities followed by (ideally preceded with) viewing human beings as fundamentally divine and not as units of exploitation. We just emphasize these ideals.

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Re: The Value of Culture

Postby shel » Wed Jun 20, 2012 7:25 pm

kirtu wrote:
Anders wrote:I can only imagine kirtu has never lived outside western society if he imagines "all of western culture as a font of death and misery."


Yes I have. Hawaiian culture is unique, not Asia and not a total adherent to the US monoculture although deeply influenced by it.

Hi Kirtu,

Are you serious? Hawaiian culture is unique of course and not Asian, but I'm not sure what "not a total adherent to the US monoculture although deeply influenced by it" could mean. For one thing, Hawaii is a state of the United States, so if the United States is a "monoculture" Hawaii is that monoculture and a complete adherent to it's federal laws and so on.

And actually the history of North America is very similar to Hawaii in that the indigenous cultures were overrun by foreigners (Europeans), and later both experienced mass immigrations from various foreign cultures. Both are as you say "melting-pots."

Kamehameha I's wars of unification were so bloody that the aftermath was that the Hawaiian people were essentially oriented to pacifism.

This really makes no sense.
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